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[music]: [00:00:00] Knock, knock
Kristin: high. Knock knock. Hi.
Will: Hey everybody. Welcome to Knock, knock High with the Glaucomflecken. Flexings. We got Lady Glaucomflecken Flecking back.
Kristin: That’s right. I’m here. That’s right. Right. The last one I was gone. Uhhuh. Uh, I don’t know what you said about that, uh, if you told the story,
Will: but, oh, I did. Yeah.
Kristin: Okay. So, oh wait.
Will: I guess we haven’t, uh, talked about it since you’ve actually in person.
No, I have no idea. Idea what
Kristin: happened. Yeah.
Will: Anyway, uh, lady Glaucomflecken Ffl, and I am Dr. Glaucomflecken Ffl. And thanks for joining us for an episode of Glock Talk. I got a lot to catch up on.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: So I, I’ve told, I told the people the story. Go back a couple episodes, uh, um, and, and you can hear about, uh, an a a four wheeler, a little kid size four wheeler.
Yeah. Flipping over onto our daughter and then yeah, [00:01:00] you saving the day going and grabbing it and pulling it, yanking it off of our kid by way. Well, trying to way kid was fine. Yeah. No nos there. All
Kristin: children are
Will: fine. Um, where did the question that I have still, where exactly did you grab it? Do you know where you grabbed it?
Kristin: Um, not really. I mean, if we flipped it over again, I could, I could point to it. Whatever it
Will: was, was like a thousand degrees. It
Kristin: was very hot.
Will: And when did it, when did the pain kick in
Kristin: immediately. I like, that’s why I said I tried to save the date. Thankfully the other kids’ mom was there as well. Yeah. And so as soon as I touched that, I like just, you know, took my hand off.
Um,
Will: after you got it off. You did pull it off?
Kristin: No, no, I didn’t. Oh, you never did. This is what I’m saying. Oh, I see. I tried to, but it was so painful. Yeah.
Immediately let go. I just
immediately, like, my hand just got fried, like a, like an egg. So I, uh, was very unhelpful. But thankfully the other mom was [00:02:00] there and she, she
Will: pulled it off.
Kristin: I’m not sure exactly what happened because I went immediately there was a sprinkler. Well, when I got over there, I could see that like, okay, nobody is like. Injured. Yeah. This is just like,
yeah.
Inconvenient now, right? Like we need to get, get the children out from under this thing because they’re not gonna be pleased.
Um. So I, I went to the, uh, sprinkler that was on nearby and I just stuck my hand right in the sprinkler.
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Because it was so painful. I have almost never been in that much pain. Like
Will: I’ve, that’s more pain than I’ve ever seen you in. It was may right up there with
Kristin: childbirth. Seriously. Like not exaggerating at all.
Will: Yeah. You were on the way over to the emergency department. You were r in pain.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Um, trying to get me to go very, very fast.
Kristin: Yeah. They, they were like, this is a dumb question, but on a scale of one to, and I was like, 10, 10, 10, 10.
Will: That was the best we were because we were right. As soon as we got in, like [00:03:00] we, we checked in at the desk and went right into triage.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Um, which they do, you know, for everybody. There’s a nurse there. Even the
Kristin: security guy could see like, I just need to let this one in. She, and she
Will: was just sitting there, just writhing in the chair and with a, she, they got the blood pressure. They got the vitals. Yeah. Uh,
Kristin: temperature. Which part? Like, can I tell you, my blood pressure’s usually.
Too low. Yeah. Like I have to, yeah. You know, eat a little bit of extra salt or whatever it was. 1 57 I think. Yeah, over 70 something. Yeah. You were hypertensive like it was insane. That is ridiculous. For mine,
Will: I did kind of start laughing or I wanted to laugh whenever she asked you. The pain scale. Yeah, yeah.
On a scale from one to 10. 10. It’s 10. And then I think, um, you know, fortunately they did, they pretty much brought you back right away.
Kristin: Oh yeah. You didn’t. Yeah, I didn’t have to wait.
Will: You didn’t sit out there waiting,
Kristin: right. Uh,
Will: like it was the pitch. Yeah. I really appreciated
Kristin: that. [00:04:00]
Will: And, uh, what was your experience overall?
Kristin: Um, with what specifically? I mean, it wasn’t very fun.
Will: Oh, I know, but like, you know, you, did it go about as you’d expect? They were
Kristin: very professional.
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Yeah. They did a, they did a great job. Soon as the Dilaudid kicks in, which took quite a while, it
Will: did, they gave you a, a good amount. They had to keep
Kristin: uping it
Will: and you were, uh, you, you were zonked out, you know?
Yes. For a while there.
Kristin: Yeah. I mean, that is a large reason why I missed recording the next day is because I was still feeling. The effects of that and just was not a full human yet.
Will: Oh man. Well, uh, and it just looked at your hand and it’s, yeah, it’s peeling nicely. You’ve got some nice new skin underneath your palm.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: Uh, and, um, not as painful anymore.
Kristin: I mean, it’s still like the new skin’s a little tender. Yeah. But aside from that,
Will: good. You survived. Yay. It’s good. Yay.
Kristin: Over the weekend I did, [00:05:00] I’m pretty sure I tore my hamstring. So it’s just a Oh yeah. Ring. Yeah. So that’s the thing,
Will: because you were at a con, what was this conference you went to?
Kristin: Um, it’s called Craft and Commerce. It’s a conference for creators
Will: Creator conference.
Kristin: Yes, it’s a creator conference. It’s a very good one.
Will: Cool.
Kristin: Really
Will: liked it. You’re in Boise.
Kristin: Boise, Idaho.
Will: And you There was a dance party.
Kristin: Yeah, the closing party. See, here’s the thing. Creators mostly are, well, I don’t know, maybe not all of them, but the ones at this conference are mostly.
Millennials. Yeah. And I am a millennial. Yeah. However, I am an elder millennial.
Will: Sure.
Kristin: And so there’s a big range of what counts as millennial. Right. It’s true. And so like I’m on the upper end, it’s like
Will: 1981 to,
Kristin: or something, I don’t know,
Will: to 93 or 94 idea, like mid nineties idea. I think. I think that’s cutoffs are Or maybe it’s like ’cause ’cause maybe it’s all the way, maybe it’s right up to 2000 guess.
Yeah. I dunno guess. But yeah, you and I both. So
Kristin: anyway, point is I’m a bit older. [00:06:00] The majority of the people, not all, but the way that they closed this party is they have a, um, dance party. And it was fun and stuff, but I felt my age and I have learned that maybe 40 years old is the year that I need to swear off dance parties.
Will: Was was it, what was the venue?
Kristin: Um, it was, it’s called Tree Fort Music Hall, and it’s usually a like concert sort of place, so it.
Will: Place that does.
Kristin: Yeah, it was really cool. It wasn’t like a, as a conference venue, like
Will: a Hilton ballroom. No,
Kristin: no, no, no.
Will: And they just pipe the music in.
Kristin: No, it’s like the, a big, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. It’s kind of industrial looking on the inside. It’s got a bar. It’s got, they had a dj, they had like a buffet. They had a dj. Okay. Um, black lights and neon, everything. ’cause it was like nineties themed and they had like face painting, neon face painting. They, they didn’t
Will: irradiate you with UV light though.
That’s good.
Kristin: Yeah, I don’t think so
Will: because I, that was the last time I heard about a dance party at a [00:07:00] conference.
Kristin: Oh.
Will: And they, the lights they used
Kristin: Uhhuh.
Will: We’re like actually UV emitting lights. Oh. And everybody ended up with retinal, with sunburn, with a corneal abrasions and sunburns.
Kristin: What?
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Where was this?
Will: Yeah, it’s a photo. You can get a UV phototoxicity to the cornea.
Kristin: No. So where a,
Will: where? I’m not sure. It was like, this was like a year and a half ago or so. Uh, and I don’t know where the conference was. It was like a kinda a tech bro conference.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: They had a similar thing. They had like a d big, you know, rave type of, you know, dance party thing.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And um, and then a lot of the people would woke up in the morning with searing pain in their eyes. Oh my
Kristin: gosh.
Will: It turns out the lights were used that were used on the stage had, were UV lights.
[music]: Hmm. And,
Will: uh, and so if you get enough UVA, it’s basically like a snow blindness. That’s what snow blindness is.
Yeah. So the sunlight reflects off the bright snow up into your eyes. Because often you, normally you have eyelids and your brow can block a lot of sunlight coming from up [00:08:00] top. But if it’s reflected down below or it’s right in front of your face, you’re gonna get direct UV light and that, um, can cause desquamation of your cornea, basically.
That’s,
Kristin: uh, quite a word.
Will: Yeah. You like that word?
Kristin: Desquamation?
Will: Desquamation
Kristin: Declamation.
Will: D-E-S-Q-U-A-M. A-T-I-O-N declamation of your cornea, basically, you didn’t know you were
Kristin: getting a spelling bee today. Everyone
Will: basically, the, the epithelium of the cornea sloughs off.
Kristin: Ouch.
Will: Which is as, as painful as it sounds.
Yeah. Because corneal, the cornea is, you know, um, one of the most s act like nerve endings in the body, right. So, yeah. Gave me good content, though. I got stuck butt. I’m sure.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: I mean, it heals up. Okay. So it’s okay to laugh about it. Okay. But, uh, um, you know, tech Bros, it’s kind of funny, you know, the whole
Kristin: Sure.
The
Will: whole image of it.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Um, but I’m sorry you tore your hamstring. I
Kristin: know. It’s, it’s not great. You
Will: must have been really busting a movie. I out
Kristin: there don’t know. I just am [00:09:00] old. This is what happens. I’m old and I have
Will: Did you do the splits?
Kristin: I don’t know. Maybe.
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Who knows?
Will: How much did you have to drink?
No,
Kristin: I’m just kidding. Um, but I am old and I have EDS right. So like, I just am fragile. Now is is the lesson I’ve learned. It’s like
Will: you should have known better.
Kristin: Well, now I do. This is the, this, this is a lesson. This is what I just said. I have now learned,
Will: it’s interesting. Like I, I’ve been to a lot of conferences and Fran, granted, I don’t like stick around usually till the end of the conference.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: But I don’t. I don’t see a lot of dance parties happening. No. This was at medical conferences.
Kristin: No, this was a very different, because yeah, I came from like the academic world. Yeah. Now we speak at a lot of medical conferences. Those are all, you know. Right.
Will: A little bit more buttoned up.
Kristin: Much more buttoned up.
Yeah. This was very casual. Like even the speakers were wearing like jeans and stuff. It’s just like very chill.
Gotcha. But
you still learn. A whole lot, you know? Right. Like, it [00:10:00] doesn’t, it doesn’t mean that it’s just like not a good, it was still a great conference, but it was just like more casual, which I loved.
Will: I think we need more dance parties in medical conferences.
Kristin: I think so.
Will: I think we need to just make, tell people don’t wear suits anymore. Yeah. Like, it’s just, just let’s just really let it down. Let it, I think it’s just a, it’s an old fashioned feeling sometimes. Yeah. And you know, you know, you can learn in, you can learn in jeans.
Kristin: That’s right.
Will: Absolutely. That’s fine. Maybe like a, a step above like pajamas. Like Yeah, we should be I in my
Kristin: pajamas all the time listening to my podcast in the morning,
Will: but that’s not exactly socially acceptable.
Kristin: Yes.
Will: You know, for, for, for us docs, it’s like, like you wouldn’t show up in scrubs to a car.
That’s a little bit much, but, but
Kristin: I mean, why? It could be as long as they’ve.
Will: I’m glad, uh, you made it back in one piece.
Kristin: Yep, I did. Except you left
Will: your hamstring on the floor in Boise,
Kristin: apparently, at the
Will: dance hall in Boise.
Kristin: Yep. [00:11:00] I’m of an age
Will: I, it sounds like I need to go next year.
Kristin: Yeah, you should. For
Will: creators
Kristin: you should. It’s really good. It’s about, um, you know, the, it’s creators helping other creators with mm-hmm.
You know, their creator businesses. So it’s, um. Still a relatively new industry, right? Yeah. So it’s really useful to, to do that, to get together with other creators because most of us are just like alone in our homes making our things, you know? Yeah. So it’s nice to be able to get together in person and like swap.
Strategies and here’s what I’m seeing that works and you know, things like that. So
Will: while you were in Boise, I went to Iowa.
Kristin: That’s right.
Will: So it was the hundredth anniversary of the Department of Ophthalmology. Yes. At the University of Iowa
Kristin: where you did your residency.
Will: Yep. And, uh, I, they wanted me to come and do a little entertainment at one of the, like a banquet type of thing.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: A nice event. Uh, it was great. It was a lot of [00:12:00] fun. I wrote, it was all new jokes I never told before. And that’s like, people ask me, do I get nervous like speaking?
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And I usually don’t, I don’t get nervous. I get focused.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And, and especially I, I say I don’t get nervous whenever it’s all stuff I’ve done before.
Kristin: Right.
Will: This was like. Completely new material.
Kristin: Yeah. New jokes is always a gamble.
Will: I had never told these jokes to anybody. Mm-hmm. And it was like a lot of inside humor, uh, about the department and the faculty. And so this was like one of those few times where I actually was kind of nervous.
Kristin: Yeah. ‘
Will: cause you know, you’ll ideally, you’d be able to try out some of the jokes, right?
Like before you actually like, you know,
Kristin: are
Will: saying them publicly, say them to a group of probably like 350, 400 people. Right. Um, but I’d say 90% of it went well.
Kristin: Okay, good.
Will: There were a couple, um, that still haunt me. Okay. Yeah. What are the 10, I won’t tell them [00:13:00] that. Just. I thought they were like decent punchlines and just got like, no, no.
Cricket reaction. Crickets.
Kristin: Yeah,
Will: I quickly moved on. Okay, good. And then a couple like, oh, groans, because I took shots at some people
[music]: uhoh.
Will: Um, it’s fine, but then a lot of it. Was was good. Lots of good hearty laughs so. Yeah. ‘
Kristin: cause you were, you were roasting.
Will: I was roasting people. Yeah. You know, that can be a little tricky.
Sure. You know, but, uh, I mostly roast our outgoing chair, who is a really good sport. Yeah. And, uh, so that was safe.
Kristin: Right. It
Will: was like some of the other people I was like, took little, a couple chances on.
Kristin: Right.
Will: And most of it mostly went well, though. I don’t think I burned any bridges.
Kristin: Okay, good. Because this is your profession actually.
This ophthalmology thing. Yeah.
Will: It, it, it worked out. Uh, um, it was a lot of fun. It was a lot. I got to see a lot of, a lot of people. Yeah. And, um,
Kristin: how does it feel like. [00:14:00] Roasting the people that used to be in charge of you Right. And like, evaluating you? Yeah. Like are you far enough removed now that you see them more as peers, or is there still a little bit of that dynamic of like Yeah.
Will: You know,
Kristin: being kind of afraid of them?
Will: No, I don’t, I’m not afraid of them. I, I, I really do see them as peers. Yeah. I’m like, I’m seven, eight years out now from residency, graduation.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Um. I, you know, I would never have said some of this stuff as a resident.
Kristin: Right. You know? No, of course. That’s what I’m saying though.
Like, it, it could be this little like,
Will: and I did as part of my residency graduation presentation. Mm-hmm. I did a little bit of roasting. It was butch tamer.
Kristin: Yeah. And of people that you knew were a hundred percent safe.
Will: Right. And actually I got feedback from. The, the current chair, which is the same person I roasted this time around.
Mm-hmm. Uh, seven years ago. And he told me I didn’t go after him hard enough. Okay. So I [00:15:00] rectified that this time. Okay. And how did it go? And it, I think he loved it. He loved it. He told me he loved it. Yeah. So it’s, it’s great. He
Kristin: was laughing. Oh
Will: yeah.
Kristin: Awesome.
Will: And he is, he is an oculoplastics specialist. Yeah.
And, um, that’s a subspecialty within ophthalmology. And they’re like the kind of the general surgeons of ophthalmology. Mm-hmm. Uh, and, uh, so easy Pickens,
Kristin: right? What, what didn’t he, I remember you telling stories about like, he would say things in the middle.
Will: Oh, oh. He had, he had the most devastating roast, like of trainees in the operating room.
Kristin: Like as you are Oh, yeah. Sitting there learning how to operate.
Will: Like, you know, he’d like, you know. Ask you, you know, what color crayon they used, uh, to, to on your diploma, to like, oh my, you know, like, you know, stuff like that. It was, it wasn’t just like belittling for the sake of belittling, it was just like trying to throw you off your game just a little bit
Kristin: uhhuh
Will: with these, these very creative one-liners.
Kristin: Yeah. I
Will: [00:16:00] guess the point was to try to. To help you learn to work through adversity, uh, in the operating room. Uh, right, but he was delivering all of the adversity. Yes. So I, I like, I don’t know if his methods quite, you know, were, you know what? You know, anyway, but yeah. Um, yeah, he was known for like really great roasts of people Yeah.
In the operating room
Kristin: in like a way that people could appreciate even though they were devastated or
Will: he would, he would routinely crack me up, like, okay, he would, making fun of me and roasting me, and then well,
Kristin: yes, but you’re not normal.
Will: I, I think most people took it very well and he’s, he’s one of these guys that’s like.
He’s a
Kristin: nice guy. He
Will: can, he can give it just as much as he, he can take it as much as he gives it. And so, um, these types of surgeons, it’s like if you can throw it back at him a little bit, like in the moment mm-hmm.
Kristin: He just respects you more. You like Yeah.
Will: It’s like you get, you, you get a little bit more respect from him.
So, um, uh, [00:17:00] overall, and not, not every doc physicians like that. Right. Right. And so, um, well, I can see
Kristin: that going poorly too with some of the residents like. Not every person. Well, I think appreciates a roast.
Will: Yeah. I, I think it, but in the end, that’s another good lesson, like not to take yourself so seriously that you’re, you’re, you’re immune from criticism.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And it, it can go too far. You know, there’s, you know, you can take it a little bit, like one step too far, which I, I don’t think I ever personally saw him.
Kristin: Yeah, do that.
Will: But I’m sure some people, I think that line is different for different people.
Kristin: I think I would almost rather, like, if I have to be criticized, I would rather it be delivered in joke form, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like make it funny and because it shows that it’s like, yeah, you, you’re messing this up or you did mess up, but like, we’re not taking it too seriously. We just wanna, like, he would say, we want you to learn it, that you messed up.
Will: You’d like make fun of you for like going too slowly. Mm-hmm.
Close an incision. And the classic joke is, is like, oh, you’re letting that, um, [00:18:00] we’ll just let that heal by secondary intention.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: Which means you’re going so slow that the fibroblasts are winning. And they’re just gonna close the incision itself. Yeah. Versus you as the surgeon. Right. Um, there’s a, uh, one of the best ones that we’re told, and what I did as part of this roast is I invited all of his former fellows Yeah.
To come up on stage at the end of it, Uhhuh and deliver some of his best lines back to him.
Kristin: Oh, nice.
Will: Uh, which was a lot of fun. And one of my favorites was, um, uh, basically. You know, saying that, uh, the makers of the suture are, um, are gonna give him, you know, the, the trainee stock in the suture because he uses so much of it without actually closing the incision.
Oh. Something like that. So it’s like, like you could tell he’s been given these lines Yeah. For years and years and has been fine tuning. It’s like a part of his. You know his expertise, right. Is finding the right, the right [00:19:00] thing to say? He’s been doing the same
Kristin: thing as you, just in a different way.
Will: Right.
Doing it in the operating room. Yeah. Alright, let’s take a break. We’ll come back, uh, and I wanna talk about the Renaissance Fair.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: What should, what should do in there, buddy? I’m so glad you asked. Oh, I’m being a Dex.
Kristin: Oh, are you?
Will: Yeah, that’s what they sound like. Those
Kristin: little mites,
Will: Uhhuh, I, if you put a microphone in front of them, I’m sure they would probably most likely maybe sound like that.
Kristin: You think so?
Will: I don’t really know.
Kristin: Oh, well, let’s see how much you do really know.
Will: Ooh, you’re gonna quiz me? Yeah, let’s do it.
Kristin: What are the only two main species of dex mites found in humans?
Will: Uh, type one and type two.
Kristin: Uh, close dex follicular, which are found in the eyelash follicles. Okay. And dex revis, which are found in the meibomian glands. Okay,
Will: sure. Yeah. Okay. Next one. Next question.
Kristin: Okay. Why do people with Dex blepharitis often feel itchy eyelids first thing in the morning?
Will: I know this. And, uh, because they [00:20:00] avoid light and come out at night to mate.
Kristin: Oh
Will: yeah. There’s, they’re mating on your eyelids while you’re sleeping.
Kristin: Super.
Will: Is that, is that a, how does that make you feel? So gross. And so people wake up that itchy, irritated feeling ’cause they’ve been moving around and the eyelash follicles all night.
Kristin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Great.
Will: I’m surprised you even brought that up.
Kristin: I know. I’m just trying to get used to these mites since Demodex blepharitis is such a common disease and keep talking about them, it’s
Will: And that’s a big step. That’s a big step. Thank you. There’s a prescription eye drop, though that’s available for Demodex Blepharitis.
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All right. Let’s talk about, uh, we went to the Renaissance Fair
Kristin: we did in
Will: Oregon for the first time. Had you ever been to a Renaissance Fair?
Kristin: I think when I was like in high school or something,
Will: I, we
Kristin: went as like a field trip.
Will: Yeah. This was my first time to ever go there.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Uh, and it’s impressive.
Kristin: Yeah,
Will: it’s impressive.
I know the one in Texas. Where I grew up. We both grew up in Texas, but, um, it, it is like much bigger. It’s like a huge thing.
Kristin: Yeah. Is there only one in Texas or like, is there one for state? I, I would think because I went to like the Dallas area is what was closest to us, but so, [00:22:00] but there’s one in Houston?
Yeah. Maybe there’s,
Will: there’s probably several, maybe it’s six is such a big state, but there’s, I, I want, I was wondering, and I think you were too, like is it one company that does all of these, it
Kristin: just moves around? Yeah.
Will: Or is it. And the reason I, I’m thinking that is because the, the, a lot of the performers talked about mm-hmm.
Touring, like this is what they do.
Kristin: Right.
Will: And I was very impressed by them. Like they Yeah. That’s a hard job. They had their routine down.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Uh, and uh, you could tell they’ve been, some of them been doing it for like 30 years. Like that that is, that’s hard work, man.
Kristin: Yeah. Going around in person to all these places,
Will: just Yeah.
Kristin: Living on the road
Will: and trying to
Kristin: make people laugh.
Will: But here’s, here’s what I was thinking as we were like exploring and experiencing the, the re fair, um, they’re, they’re, so the, the attention to detail mm-hmm. And making sure everything is like time period appropriate.
Kristin: Right.
Will: Obviously everyone’s wearing costumes.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Uh, and even [00:23:00] down to the, the signs, uh, for like how you can pay for things.
Kristin: Yes. Those were clever. It’s
Will: like our lady A visa.
Kristin: Yep. Master card. But like with a space, right?
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: You know?
Will: Right. So
Kristin: New World Express for American Express. Oh, that, that was my, that was my favorite.
Will: New World Express. I loved it,
Kristin: Lord.
Discover.
Will: So, um, everything there, the digital detail is great. Uh, the one thing that I, I found was missing was the, uh, first aid tent.
Kristin: Hmm.
Will: Uh, it, it just seemed like, um, like a. 21st century first aid.
Kristin: You know what, I’m fine with that. I think if I went to a, uh, medieval looking first aid tent, I’m, I might be a little concerned.
But here’s,
Will: here’s my point, because they have booths for obviously, like people are selling their wares and mm-hmm. You, you could buy very elaborate outfits that are time period specific for the Renaissance. Right. And you can, like, uh, they had like blacksmiths, they [00:24:00] had like all, you know. Everything. They had a, uh, like the stocks you could give, you know the stock?
Yeah,
Kristin: yeah.
Will: They had, um, a joust thing, took a picture picture of you in
Kristin: the
Will: stocks. Yeah. They had all this stuff, but there was nothing medical related.
Kristin: True. Like there was no, I did see a few, and I have no idea. I, I feel like this, I don’t know is it the right time period, but I saw a few of the, um, the plague masks.
The plague Dr. Masks. Yeah.
Will: So. I think there’s, there’s an untapped potential here for the Renaissance Fair.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: To have an experience or a, you could do a show or, or just have a, like a big tent.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Where it’s like a midi, like a, um, Renaissance apothecary.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: You could go, you could, you could buy your roots, your mandrake root.
You could buy your, uh, your boar liver, uh, supplements. Just, I, you know what, just take some of these like crazy people off of the internet mm-hmm. [00:25:00] And tell them, okay, you know what? You’re gonna sell all these sub, why don’t you just do it at the, at the, at the Renaissance Fair?
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Where what you’re doing is more, more time.
Kristin: Yeah. Time
Will: specific than right than,
Kristin: what is the word we’re looking for? We are tripping over this. It’s, uh, uh, like period appropriate, maybe like,
Will: yeah.
Kristin: There’s a, there’s a term. Sorry, everybody. Asynchronistic, you’re shouting it at your, I don’t know. Yeah, yeah.
Will: Anyway, so, uh, or you could go and if you wanted to experience leeches
Kristin: Oh, great idea.
You know, like
Will: all the Renaissance Yes. Medieval type thing, and everybody’s wearing it’s natural Dr. Masks. It’s all natural. You could do a a I know I was researching some of the things they could do, removal of bad hair. Ah, like the, like some of the diseases held in your hair, and so you just, oh,
Kristin: you just rip it out.
Just get
Will: a haircut.
Kristin: A haircut.
Will: You used to get a haircut at the, the, uh, medieval apothecary, uh, medieval physician. I was
Kristin: thinking you’d have to pull it out because it’s still on your head. If you just get a haircut.
Will: Well, I mean, shave it. I don’t know. Yeah, yeah. Maybe just pull it. Just
Kristin: gotta [00:26:00] wax it.
Will: That’d be hard.
You could wax different parts of your body. Yeah. Now, now we’re getting a little bit crazy. Although not everything there was family friendly.
Kristin: No. And we went on a Sunday afternoon. Yeah. So, so,
Will: and I know they have, maybe this is one, one of those like, uh, refa after dark type thing. So they do that sometimes.
Yeah. Right. You have to
Kristin: be 20. Yeah. Over 21 after a certain time of day where
Will: they just really go nuts. Right. Uh, bloodletting. You could get a little blood. Oh, turn it into a a, a blood drive.
Kristin: Oh, how about that? Yes. The bloodletting could be blood. Letting a blood drive is actually
Will: they do take your blood.
Yeah. But then they, but they dress it up.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And you have plague doctors that are taking the blood from you that
Kristin: that’s actually a good idea. I like bad idea. That’s a great
Will: idea. Oh my God. They gotta do that. Yeah. All right. Who do I, who do
Kristin: we contact? What
Will: kind of telegram do I send to the people that run what?
I guess it would be Pony Express. Is it by pigeon? I don’t know. Oh yeah, probably, probably. Probably carrier pigeons. How was the
Kristin: mail delivered back [00:27:00] then?
Will: Did they have mail? I don’t know.
Kristin: We need Lizzie, Fitz Harris back on to, can answer our questions. I think
Will: it was, it must have just been people, um, uh, had to physically obviously deliver it.
So yeah, probably. Was that what the Pony Express was now? That was like, I think so. That was like later, that was in America, 18 hundreds or something. I dunno. Uh, maybe carrier pigeons. Who knows? I know what they didn’t. I think carrier pigeons were actually like
Kristin: World War one or two. Well, game
Will: of Thrones, they used carrier pigeons.
Did they? And that’s ravens. They use ravens. Send a raven. Ah, yeah, because I don’t know why. So pigeons didn’t exist back then. I don’t know. Who knows? Ravens are better at it. They’re just scarier. That’s probably it. They’re
Kristin: scary. They’re smart though, so maybe they, uh, could understand their task.
Will: Alright, so speaking of, um.
Renaissance era medicine.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: Um, I, I had a little argument with someone, uh oh on Twitter.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: Which I promised myself. I would never like do that. I [00:28:00] wouldn’t do this anymore. Why
Kristin: are you still over there?
Will: I, so here’s why I am on, on X. ’cause it is, there’s no community there.
Kristin: No,
Will: no community. It doesn’t even feel like most of these people are real people.
Kristin: Right? Well, they’re probably not.
Will: Probably not. Um. A lot of them aren’t, but occasionally, like, uh, what the reason I’ll go there is to follow live current events. ’cause there’s still a lot of people there, a lot of news organizations. A lot. And so, so whenever, like, something is happening mm-hmm. Like, uh, the, um, that the, the airplane crash, the Air India.
Yeah. You heard about that?
Kristin: I did. I, I intentionally did not. I, I am aware that an airplane crashed. Yeah. I want to know nothing else about it because I have to travel by a plane. Right. So frequently. Right. So, well,
Will: we’re not gonna talk about that, but the point is like, stuff like that happens.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Like Twitter is still a.
Good place to go for like, for like breaking news to, for like breaking news and also, um, a lot of this, the, the sports [00:29:00] commentary stuff mm-hmm. In real time, like during a sporting event happens on Twitter. And so it’s still a great place for like, in the moment things mm-hmm. That are happening. But it’s like all the other stuff that just, there’s like nothing else good about it.
But because I’m still on there occasionally I’ll still see
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Things that piss me off
Kristin: and then you can’t help yourself.
Will: I can’t help myself. All right, so here’s, here’s the, the tweet. I’m just gonna read it to you, and I want, I wanna get your reaction okay to this tweet,
Kristin: okay?
Will: Doctors shouldn’t be able to get richer as people get sicker.
I’m surprised more people don’t understand why this is a problem.
Kristin: Well, I’m noticing here than this is Doctor should be able
Will: to get richer as people get sicker.
Kristin: This is written by someone who claims to have an MD.
Will: Yep. So this is coming from an md I’m not gonna, it doesn’t honestly matter who it is, but this, that, that statement, what is your like initial like reaction to that statement?
Kristin: Um, I think that it is, [00:30:00] personally, I feel like it’s a little misguided, like. There’s so much that goes into the finances of how it, the healthcare system works, and then what is it like a tiny percentage, 8% or something? I don’t know. Yeah. Some small percentage actually goes towards, you know, physicians.
Will: Right. Being paid a small amount of, it’s
Kristin: very small. It’s actually gonna these other places, like insurance companies and administrative costs and all of this.
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Right. Is that correct?
Will: That’s, no, that’s correct. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, tell you what, let’s, let me take a break. Gotta take one more break.
Kristin: Oh. That means we gotta really get into this
Will: and then, and then I’m gonna, I’m gonna tell you kinda what I think about this and what, what I, how I responded.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: All right. So the statement is, doctors shouldn’t be able to get richer as people get sicker. Now, the [00:31:00] implication. With this statement is that it’s the doctors that are keeping people people sick. Sick, right. So they can make more money.
Kristin: Right.
Will: And. This coming from a doctor. Yeah. Because I’ve seen that people see this stuff all the time.
Yes. That’s, this is like a common thing, right? You know, doctors are all, they’re, they’re all paid by big pharma.
Kristin: Right? Well, ’cause we hear that, uh, being a doctor is one of the things that as a little kid, your parents, you know, hope that maybe one day you will be because you know of the salary and whatever.
So I think there’s already a common perception in the public that doctors are all rich
Will: and this, this. That doctors are doing are going against the, the what they’re, what they’re supposed to be trying to do. Right. Uh, because by the way, when we go into medical school, like [00:32:00] nobody thinks I can’t wait to keep my patients from getting better,
Kristin: right.
Will: So that I can make more money. Right? That, that does not make any sense whatsoever. But you only see this with physic, this kind of argument, this kind of thinking with physicians, for whatever reason, you don’t blame firefighters.
Kristin: Oh, yeah, I see what you’re saying.
Will: For fighting fires.
Kristin: Right,
Will: right.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: It’s like the, there are like, the firefighters are, they’re starting fires so that they can, they can fight.
Yeah. So fires make more money fighting fires, or how about, how about mechanics for broken cars? They’re out there breaking
Kristin: all the cars.
Will: They’re, it, it’s, it’s nonsensical thinking. Yeah. Uh, it’s just we have. People are living longer.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: People get sick. Our population is increasing, people are getting older, they’re having more medical issues.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: So you need doctors. You need doctors to be, you know, advancing medicine to take care of people as they get older, as they get, yeah. People are getting [00:33:00] sicker and Yeah. There’s lots of things that are causing us to be sicker. Our food is probably one of them. Yes. But it’s the, the fact that it’s like the doctors themselves.
Mm-hmm. They’re like, oh, I, I know what you have, sir. But we’re, I’m actually, I don’t wanna make that
Kristin: better. Yeah, I,
Will: I’m gonna, um, uh, just ’cause someone’s over here is paying me Right. To make sure you don’t get, come on.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: What is this? So anyway, I, I try not to engage with people like, but this particular doctor that I’m responding to with this mm-hmm.
Has like over almost 300,000 followers.
Kristin: On,
Will: on Twitter alone and probably a lot more on other platforms as well. And so, so this is one of those things like, okay, I, I gotta, I’m gonna say something here. Yeah.
Kristin: First, do you know anything about this person? I don’t recognize his name. No. It doesn’t matter what the name is.
No, I don’t.
Will: This is the first time I’m, I’m seeing, but are they
Kristin: one of the doctors that has become like a grifter, is what I’m really wondering.
Will: Well, so, so here’s. So when I looked at, into this, [00:34:00] this creator and, um, half of it is all about, you know, this, the whole what’s hot right now, which is metabolic health.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: You know, so like he does coaching and he sell, you know.
Kristin: Yeah. He’s selling supplements. He’s selling
Will: supplements. Okay. Well that’s all you
Kristin: gotta say. He’s
Will: selling, he has his own line of supplements.
Kristin: Of course.
Will: Uh, inflammation and immune support is one of the names mm-hmm. Of the supplements. Mm-hmm.
So he wants
Kristin: you to believe that doctors are. Out to get you so that you’ll buy his thing instead.
Will: Exactly. It’s like, don’t, don’t all this tra all the traditional medicine is bad. Like the doctors are keeping you sick. They don’t want you to get better. I know how to make you better,
Kristin: which is really ironic by the way, don’t you think?
Will: By the way, if he’s not for a subscription, you can get these supplements sent to you every month.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: Come on, guy. Like, come on. And so I just call him out on it and there’s like this, this back and forth that basically said, you know, you can disregard the medical opinion of any physician claiming doctor’s profit off keeping you sick, and in their next breath, try to sell [00:35:00] you their own unregulated non-evidence based supplements.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: And then I’m not gonna go into the whole bag, but we, so he, he responded to that. He responded to me, and then, and then I, so, and this is exactly, and it took, like, it took up like half my day. Yeah. And it’s just like, this is why it, on one hand, like, I think it’s important that people call out these types of, you know, charlatans, these types of snake oil.
It just, it’s bad for your mental health to have to, to I to have to do that. But then also like, okay, I’m, I am what I, I think I would consider an ethical physician. I follow evidence with things I recommend, and I, right. I take certain parts of the healthcare system to task. He is out there calling, this guy’s calling me like a clown, and I, I’m just a, like a clown doctor.
Mm-hmm. Whatever, like ad ho attacks I don’t really care about. But my point is though. [00:36:00] Like just calling them out, like the people that buy into this type of
Kristin: mm-hmm.
Will: Thinking that this guy is putting out there.
Kristin: Mm-hmm.
Will: Does any amount of, of other evidence-based people taking him to task really change anything?
Is it right? Is it worth it? I, I can’t help but thinking that I feel like it is worth it because we can’t just let these people go like unchecked into society. Sure. But then like. Is the ideology so entrenched that you can’t reach people and tell? I
Kristin: think that it’s, and this could be a whole episode all in its own, but I think that from my psychology background.
I think you’re, you are right that like, yes. The, the benefit that of calling them out is not to change his mind or any of his, you know? Mm-hmm. People of similar philosophy. You’re not changing their mind. You are just providing accountability in public. Right. So you’re saying, we’re [00:37:00] not gonna let you just have a runaway train here.
Right. It’s, it’s right of like, no, here’s the boundary. Yeah.
If you want to actually change people’s minds there, that’s a whole different process. Like if you study what is effective in changing people’s minds, it’s, it’s not this like Twitter type or even just all of social media soundbites calling out. Yeah, it’s call out culture. It’s understanding the person that believes these things and then it is having real empathy and interest.
Mm-hmm.
I’m gonna just assume that you are a smart person, that you are, you know, doing the best you can with the information you have, and you’re not like, I’m not just gonna come out and call you an idiot or something. And I wanna understand how it is that you got to believe these things. Like, let’s, let’s figure that out.
Like out genuine curiosity, genuine [00:38:00] interest, kindness, empathy, build a relationship. With the person. Right. And then, because the only way for them to like, um, change their mind is if you, if, if they trust you to take them to a new opinion. You know? So you have to, so it’s a slower, much more strategic, like, um, and I don’t mean strategic in like a manipulative way.
Yeah. I just mean like there’s a process that works to do this and social media is not it.
Will: Yeah. Short form.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Just blasting out your thoughts to the public.
Kristin: Right.
Will: Not the way to do it.
Kristin: I think that what that does is, you could think of it more like, more like a protest, right. Of of, you know, like the No Kings Day protest that just happened.
It sends a message, is what it does to the person in power or in, in the case of Twitter, to the person who posted, they’re like, Hey, we’re watching.
Yeah. And we’re not [00:39:00] pleased. Yeah. And
so you can’t just. Steamroll this thing, right? Yeah. You’re gonna have some resistance here. That’s what it does. That’s what it’s actually effective at.
But it’s not effective at like changing someone’s mind.
Will: Yeah. Like the individual, I mean, do you know where you can potentially change their mind is like in the interactions that physicians have with patients?
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Because I, because I’ve done that, you know, with, with ophthalmology related things. And
Kristin: again, it’s because you have a relationship Right,
Will: exactly.
With that person. You’re absolutely right. And, you know, getting them to, to not take, I’ve gotten people to stop taking homeopathic medications. Mm-hmm. Uh, eye drops. Um, and uh, just by. You know, explaining it to them. Explain. Right, because
Kristin: that’s the thing. Assume good intention, assume you know, intelligence.
Give people the benefit of the doubt. That somewhere something taught them that this is the correct scientific thing to do, and then show them why and how it’s not and what is, but
Will: then the people that sold that [00:40:00] supplement to that patient
Kristin: mm-hmm.
Will: Their rebuttal would be like, well, of course,
Kristin: yes.
Will: He wants you to be taking traditional medicine.
Kristin: Right.
Will: Because he profits off of it. And people will just believe that.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: By the way, you can look and see like who’s profiting, which physicians are profiting off of what, I mean, maybe that’s the thing, like
Kristin: the public needs, like it’s there to know how it all works.
Will: When, when a, when a pharma company pays a physician like they.
They have to report. That’s that. You have to report that.
Kristin: And is that public information? It’s public.
Will: It’s like, it’s, it’s part of the, what’s called the, like, I think it’s the Sunshine Act. It, it basically shedding light on on Yeah. Payments and, and so you can see like where there’s a conflict of interest, you know?
Yeah. If you’re, if you have an oncologist and they’re being paid by a company that makes a medication that you are on, you know, it’s, that’s, that’s reportable. You, you can look that up.
Kristin: Right? How do you look it up? I,
Will: I don’t, I You’d have [00:41:00] to
Kristin: ask chat. GPT. Yeah, just
Will: you can Google. I don’t know exactly like where that information is lies, but it’s, but it’s out there.
If you Google Sunshine Act Yeah. If you look for it, like, you’ll be able to find that information out there. Okay. And so, and, and it’s, that’s an important thing, I think to, that’s why whenever you go to a conference, you see physicians give talks, like they have disclosures,
Kristin: right? So
Will: that people know, okay, well he’s talking about this.
Which he’s been paid by this company and he is talking in, in favor of this guy. Like, you need to know, you need to understand conflict of interest.
Kristin: Right.
Will: And those disclosures are, are very important and but
Kristin: see, patients don’t have access to those disclosures. True. That’s at a conference with other physicians.
Right. True. Like we need to educate the general public about how the system actually works. Yeah. If we want them to understand why it’s nonsense.
Will: Right.
Kristin: Some of these other things that people are saying,
Will: but then also just because a physician [00:42:00] does like consulting work for, whether it’s an industry, company, pharmaceutical, whatever, like that doesn’t mean they’re wanting you to be sick so they can make that still doesn’t make any sense,
Kristin: right?
Like
Will: there’s so thinking. You know, I don’t know how to make it go away, but it, it’s, trust me, your physician did not get into medicine to think I can, I can enrich myself as long as you don’t get better like that.
Kristin: Right? Trust
Will: me, there’s, there’s plenty of disease out there. Like, we’re,
Kristin: there’s enough to go around.
We’re,
Will: we’re gonna, we’re gonna be busy trying to make you better, like trying to make everybody on earth better. Like there’s, there’s, we don’t need to be keeping someone sick to make money and. As p as the population gets older, yeah, we’re work. If we’re working harder. Trying to improve the health of people.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Well, yeah. We should get paid. You people should get paid for the work. For their work They [00:43:00] do. For their work. Yes. You’re doing work. Yeah. You’re doing more work than ever.
Kristin: Right.
Will: So you get paid to do that work. I, so it just, none of this makes sense and it just irritates me as you can tell. Yeah.
Kristin: Yep.
Sure can.
Will: Um, alright. That’s all I have to say about that. Okay. Uh, just the lesson is stay off of Twitter. It’s really not worth, that’s what what I’m saying, even the reason that I go on there now. I probably shouldn’t, I just need to find something else. Uh, but, you know, old habits die hard, I guess.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Alright. You know what
Kristin: might be more effective? Just one quick idea. Yeah. But if you were to screenshot, you know, either the original tweet or your you, you quote. Tweeted the, um, your response.
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Kristin: Um, just screenshot that and put it somewhere else. And you can even like, you know, put something over the name so you’re not like calling out any in individual in particular.
Like if you’re trying to educate people about how it works. I think that’s the way to go. Take it, grab it, say I’m seeing these things I know and I’m gonna share them and tell you why. Um, this is flawed thinking. [00:44:00]
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Instead of arguing with the
Will: mean right
Kristin: person themselves,
Will: that, that, I mean people, and that’s because then they’re
Kristin: just gonna argue back.
Will: That is one way to do it. Uh, but they’ll, they’ll find it. I don’t know. I mean, that’s fine, but like youre,
Kristin: you’re crossing out their name, so if they call you out on it, then they’re only revealing themselves as you know. That’s
Will: okay if you’re wanting to call out the thinking,
Kristin: yes.
Will: But if you want people to know that this person is not a good person.
You know, is not a good physician for doing these, so, so watch out.
Kristin: Don’t go to this person. Then you kind of, you kind of have
Will: to like tell people about that person. But anyway, that’s a good thought. Alright. Do you guys, do, do any of you have thoughts about which, uh, social media networks stay away from, or is it just all of them?
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Kristin: You know, very, uh, what on topic here that if you want to stay off of social media, Hey, we have an email newsletter. That’s right. Yeah. Let’s take it over there. Yeah,
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It’s, yeah, people are interested in it. You know, you can have
Kristin: much more nuanced and, and like. Yeah. Intelligent conversation. It’s a relationship building thing versus social media where it’s more of a broadcast
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Remember we talked about how I used to
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Speaking of being paid by, I could do like, um, the commercials mm-hmm. For the, uh, for pharmac, like side effects, pharmaceutical comings, or side effects. Yeah.
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Will: really, which is good because I, I, because people tell me I speak too slow, but I can really, I can really crank it out when I need to. Yeah.
You know,
Kristin: you know, how you do that though, is you end up like just skipping entire letters
Will: to learn about our program. DISC claimed ethics policy, submission verification, licensing terms, and neverless terms like that, that I, I skipped some. Yeah, you did a little bit. Okay.
Kristin: A little slurring. Yeah.
Will: Go to my mouth, doesn’t move fast enough.
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