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Will: [00:00:00] Today’s episode is brought to you by DaxCopilot from Microsoft. To learn about how DaxCopilot can help you reduce burnout and restore the joy of practicing medicine, visit aka. ms slash knock knock high. That’s aka. ms slash knock. Knock. Knock,
[music]: knock. Hi.
Will: Hello. Welcome to knock, knock. Hi. With the glockenspiel. I am Will Flannery also known as Dr. Glockenspiel.
Kristin: I am Kristen Flannery, also known as Lady Glockenspiel.
Will: How’s your puzzle coming along?
Kristin: That’s coming. I’d say I’m about 75 percent done.
Will: Kristen got 750
Kristin: pieces or so
Will: from her daughter. She got a one
Kristin: from my, from our daughter
Will: She [00:01:00] got, she received a 1000 piece puzzle.
Kristin: Mm-hmm .
Will: Uh, for Christmas. Yes. And you’ve been working on it for a while?
Kristin: Well, I had to stop. It’s been out for a while, but I haven’t been working on it for a bit now.
Will: So right now, try to explain to me why you like doing this. Because I can’t last 30 seconds doing a puzzle.
It is the most boring thing I can
Kristin: possibly think about. And that is how I feel about board games, but you like board games.
Will: But, but you’re, it’s not like, like you’re, but you’re playing a game. Like, puzzling, you just. Yes,
Kristin: so.
Will: What are you doing? You’re just, you’re just,
Kristin: well,
Will: there’s no skill, right? Is there skill involved in puzzling?
Are you sure
Kristin: there’s skill?
Will: What? How? You’re just trying to, you look at each individual piece and try to see if it fits.
Kristin: Am I
Will: gonna piss off the puzzle community? You
Kristin: are, because there’s, [00:02:00] there’s all sorts of stuff to it. There’s, you know, discernment. Of like color, shape, you might be picking up a piece and trying it all over the place, but that’s a very amateur move.
I can sometimes, often, I can just look at the pieces and know where one goes.
Will: You do the outside first.
Kristin: I like to do that. You gotta get
Will: the border done. But then, that’s, that’s, then the fun’s over. Then you’re done. That’s just the
Kristin: start. No,
Will: the rest of it. Is, is the inside and it just sucks because it’s hard and there’s 980 pieces.
Kristin: Your border’s only 20 pieces?
[music]: Probably. Something like that. I don’t know.
Kristin: Didn’t you minor in math?
[music]: Um, so
Kristin: I like that it’s, [00:03:00] it’s a satisfying thing to solve a puzzle, right? To start, whether that’s an actual, like a jigsaw puzzle or it’s like a thinking puzzle or whatever, it’s a, it’s a satisfying thing
Will: to
Kristin: solve, but it’s also a very meditative process.
Like as I’m putting it together. It’s like the perfect well that’s the thing usually there’s so much stuff happening in my brain and when I do a puzzle it’s like all that just goes and I can just it’s like it takes the exact right amount of mental energy and attention that. Like I am I am interested enough to pay attention to it and then it’s it’s just like I’m just focusing on that and I can talk I can do other things you know I can think about other things as I’m doing the puzzle but it’s like.
It uses a part of my brain. It keeps it busy and [00:04:00] out of the way, you know, like when you have a toddler that driving. It’s kind of like driving, I guess. Yeah, where you’re, you’re thinking, except driving is more automatic than puzzling is for me, right? Like, you don’t have to think so much about driving.
Puzzling will take
Will: up more of your brain. You just want an activity that’s taking up as much of your brain as possible to leave less brain. For your horrifying anxiety
Kristin: pretty much it keeps it keeps my brain okay this has helped me understand it’s probably an adhd thing also right like it’s it’s stimulating enough to help me like be able to focus on something else and not on a bunch of like wandering thoughts and because i also have anxiety a lot of those wandering thoughts tend to be not so pleasant
Will: you know who probably would have been a world class puzzler if she tried
Kristin: who
Will: our next guest
Kristin: oh you Dr.
Will: Haley Wickenheiser. So if you, if you have never heard of Haley [00:05:00] Wickenheiser, like she, this is, she’s incredible. This is like, she’s a five time, uh, Canadian Olympic medal. Champion. What do you call them?
Kristin: Medalist.
Will: Medalist. Yes.
Kristin: She’s a medal winner. She’s a
Will: medal. Yeah. One of the, one of the best female hockey players in the world, seven world championships, six Olympic appearances for Canada, five Olympic medals, just a Titan.
Of, of, of hockey. Uh, and currently she is the assistant GM of player development for the Toronto Maple Leafs. All right. As if that’s not enough.
[music]: Also, she’s a physician. She sure
Will: is working in emergency medicine, uh, out there in Toronto. And so like she goes and does like hockey stuff during the day and then goes in like work shifts.
In the evenings.
Kristin: Yeah. I don’t know how she does all of this. It’s incredible.
Will: And, and she [00:06:00] just definitely, you know. Uses a lot of the things that she’s learned as a high level athlete. Uh, because as we’ve learned from talking to some of our other guests, there’s a lot of skills that overlap between like, you know, becoming a physician, a practicing physician and the dedication it takes.
To excel at a sport. So, you know, there’s definitely overlapping skills there. Sure. Oh, by the way, she’s also an Olympic, she was in the Olympics. For softball. For softball. Yeah. For one. One
Kristin: sport’s not enough.
Will: So, uh, just, uh.
Kristin: Just a phenom of a human. Fascinating
Will: person. Yeah. Um, and she has just. Innumerable accolades, uh, over the years.
And now she’s, uh, focusing a lot of her attention on medicine, which, uh, those of us in medicine, we really appreciate that. So should we get to it?
Kristin: Let’s go.
Will: All right. Here she is. Dr. Haley Wickenheiser.
Hey, Kristen,
Kristin: [00:07:00] yeah,
Will: I’ve got some friends. I’d like you to meet.
Kristin: I see that you seem a little too friendly with them. I have to say,
Will: aren’t they cute?
Kristin: Sure.
Will: With the little beady eyes and their little, little hands, the hands, the claws.
Kristin: I don’t know.
Will: Appendages. Okay. How about that? That
Kristin: works.
Will: But anyway, they just like, well, they’d like to say hi.
Okay. Like,
Kristin: okay. Wonderful.
Will: They’re not, they, Oh, look, the one sticking around.
Kristin: Sure is.
Will: All right. Right on
Kristin: my mic.
Will: These little guys are, uh, Demodex and they live on your eyelashes.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Uh, and they can cause flaky red, irritated eyelids.
Kristin: See, that’s not cool. You’re not welcome here. If you’re going to do that.
Will: And it’s caused sometimes by these little guys.
Kristin: Yep. That’s rude.
Will: Uh, demodex blepharitis, but you shouldn’t get grossed out by this.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: All right. You got to get checked out.
Kristin: Yes. Get checked out.
Will: To find out more, go to eyelidcheck. com. Again, that’s E U I E [00:08:00] L I D check. com for more information about these little guys and demodex blepharitis.
All right. We are here with Dr. Haley Wickenheiser. Haley, thank you so much for joining us.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Well, thanks for having me guys.
Will: I have a, I have a very important question to start with. What is more stressful, sudden death, hockey? Or doing an eye exam in the emergency department.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Oh, Ooh, that’s a great question. I really suck at eyes, so it depends if it’s a, you know, acute ankle closure or what it is.
But, uh, uh, I would say that, uh, nothing probably will be as stressful as sudden death hockey was for me. People ask me that all the time, medicine hockey. And, uh, it’s just hard to explain why, but there’s something about. You know, playing for your country and it’ll win or [00:09:00] take all that medicine has a different kind of stress.
But for me personally, that pressure, it’ll always be the biggest.
Will: That I, that’s also what makes, I think hockey, one of the most exciting sports to see in person or like, because I remember we, we used to have a, I grew up in Houston. We had, I don’t even know if they still have this. It was the IHL. It was like the kind of like a minor league division of hockey.
We had the Houston arrows, which are. No longer around. Um, but, uh, we got season tickets one year. And so we went to, that was the first time I’d ever seen hockey in person. And it was, it was so much fun just being right there by the boards. Uh, and then it was that, that sudden death overtime hockey, like there’s nothing as exciting as that, I think in all of professional sports in my personal.
Yeah,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I agree. I mean, you know, 10 bodies crashing around and it’s fast and furious and it is very exciting, I think.
Will: So, [00:10:00] um, let’s, I want to start with, you’ve had just this illustrious career and, uh, in, in professional hockey and, and playing for your country. Um, but let’s start when you were a kid. So you grew up, was it Saskatchewan that you grew up
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: in Saskatchewan, a very small town.
Will: Um, what, what was it? When did you know you’re going to be good at this?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: You know, I, I suppose I started when I was five, um, in Saskatchewan. It’s very cold, not much to do in the small town. So very classic Canadian upbringing where my dad built a rink in the backyard for myself. Then we had 30 kids on our block, my younger brother and sister.
So I started skating around five and then, um, probably around the age of. Hockey kind of starts to get, you kind of can see if the kid’s going to, what a kid’s going to do. And I started to kind of dominate when I was playing and, uh, it was the only girl on boys teams. And so I, I kind of dreamed of [00:11:00] being in the NHL and winning a Stanley cup with the Edmonton Oilers.
And no one told me, yeah, no one told me that that wasn’t a thing. You couldn’t do that. Uh, so I had this dream, uh, as a little girl, uh, you know, growing up, I was living in a bit of a, a little bubble out there and. Southwest Saskatchewan. Um, so I, you know, 12, 13 years old, I started to go to camps and things like that.
And, and, uh, my, I actually was at a hockey school in, in British Columbia and my mom came running in and said, you’ll never believe women’s hockey is a full metal sport at the Olympics for 1998. So then I knew I had somewhere to go. And that was where I dreamed of that I would play in the Olympics at that point.
Yeah.
Will: That’s when it’s, that’s when it was announced 1998 is when they started
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: first one. Yeah. Wow.
Will: Was it because I think about what youth sports is like right now and because we have, we have, you know, two young girls, nine and 12 and it’s even at like a rec level for, for things like. Soccer and, and basketball, [00:12:00] it, it gets really intense.
And so I wanted to ask you about your upbringing, because I imagine since hockey is like the thing to do, I imagine like it’s, was it, was it, was it like that? Was it very competitive? Was it?
Kristin: How much driving did your mom have to do?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Oh my gosh, bless you both. Uh, my parents, you know, in the middle of nowhere, Saskatchewan, where I grew up, you were driving.
Practices, we mostly practiced in town, which was, my dad said, if you’re going to practice, you carry your own bag to the rink, because we only lived a couple blocks away, so if it was in the wintertime, I put my bag on the toboggan and pull it. And if it was in the summer, I’d throw my bag over my shoulder and carry it.
So, um, but, but for games and things like that, they drove literally hours. So it could be like an hour or two just for a game and then back home. So they drove a lot. And that was just how life was. I find now kids in sports, you know, it’s, uh, It’s an unfortunate thing because there’s [00:13:00] early specialization happening in not just hockey, but so many sports where kids go in.
And if your kid is deemed good, then it’s like time to become an Olympian at the age of 10 years old. And that’s all you’re
Will: going to do. Right? Yeah. And everyone has a
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: skills coach and camps. But for me, I feel lucky because I played hockey and then in the summer, um, throw my stuff away and play softball, go do swimming, track and field, stuff like that.
So I did multi sport growing up, but I don’t think it hurt me at all from my development. And it was a good mental break. So I think kids need that. They need that on and off time and time to play and be a kid, but it’s a lot of pressure on the parents now to keep up with everybody else.
Kristin: Yeah, just the amount of transportation that has to happen is unsustainable.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: It’s a lot. It’s definitely a lot. They’re going to need part time jobs, pay for gas. Yeah,
Kristin: it’s true.
Will: So long career, you were in four different Olympics. So,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: uh, so six, so five winter, one, uh, [00:14:00] summer. So I played softball in Sydney in 2000 and
Kristin: got a casual medal in that as well, you know? Yeah, we did.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Unfortunately, we didn’t medal, but, uh, five winter, four gold, one silver in the winter. Yeah, we, uh, we should have medaled, but we, we didn’t, uh, have a great Olympics, but, uh, yeah, it was kind of the thing I did hockey softball alternating through the years. And then, uh, eventually. Uh, when my son was born, I had to decide and, uh, I had, uh, Kept with hockey and gave up softball.
It was too hard to do both.
Will: What, what position do you play in softball?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: In softball? I, uh, I was a pitcher and I played third base and a little, uh, in the Olympic level, I played third base and outfield, um, but mostly third base.
Will: That’s amazing.
Kristin: Yeah. And to, to perform at such a high level in more than one sport.
And then to go into medicine as a career, like what can’t you do?
Will: And see, this is another thing, like, you know, someone, a normal person would be like, oh, [00:15:00] I’ve, uh, you know, 24 year, you know, history of, of being in the Olympics and, and playing professional hockey, some, some would call that enough for, for like a career, but then.
At some point, and I want you to fill in the gaps here, you decided, Oh, wait, I’m going to do another thing. That’s really hard and become a physician. So help us figure out that transition here.
Kristin: What pathology do you have? Exactly. I ask myself that daily, like, what the
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: hell did I get myself into? Um, but, uh, you know, growing up again in Seanavan in my little town.
Um, I always, you keep
Will: saying little town, how little, how many people?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: 1800. So that’s pretty little.
Will: Yeah,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: that’s little for most people. Um, so my parents were teachers and, uh, I always like science. A little girl in our community on our street actually was backed over by a grocery delivery van and she was seriously injured when I [00:16:00] was about 10 years old.
So we spent months walking back forth the hospital as she was recovering. And it was really inspirational, really impacted my life. The physicians and nurses there and said, okay, one day I want to it. So simultaneously, as I was playing hockey, um, I, you know, my mom and dad talked a lot about like, what’s your life after plan, you know, you should think about, you’re not going to make millions of dollars doing this, you know, what, you know, when it’s going to end.
And when you’re 21 years old, you’re like, it’s never ending, but, um, you know, as I got to the end in my later thirties, you know, it was like, okay, what’s the, what’s the life after plan. So it was always medicine. And, and while I was playing, I spent as much time in the training room, hanging out with our.
Trainers as I did probably in the dressing room through the years, not because I was always injured, but I was just so interested in what was going on. And, um, I just loved, I love the hands on aspect of medicine. And, and then in my last couple of years playing with the national team, um, I started shadowing a friend of mine who is an emergency physician at the foothills hospital in [00:17:00] Calgary.
It’s a level one trauma center. So what I would do is after games when I couldn’t sleep, I would walk across, uh, into the emergent. Spend four or five hours there with her and, uh, so I got in the last probably three, four years, I got to see a lot of stuff and I, I knew right away that the emerge was my place and I laughed so hard at your videos.
Well, because I said earlier, they got me through medical school, but the emerge. Uh, skit that you did is like so true and, uh, yeah, like it’s just, it’s amazing how you nail all these specialties, but that one
Kristin: day you should have it where he comes in with a hockey stick as an homage to, you know,
Will: yeah,
Kristin: you ever see that, you’ll know.
Well,
Will: I was gonna say, I wondered if you, if you would relate to some of the rural medicine stuff that I do too, just because of the environment you grew up in.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Amazing. And I, we send that or send those around in the role. When I said to all my rural, uh, emerge friends, uh, we all laugh at it. So [00:18:00] you’re bang on with all your stuff and, uh, it’s very good.
I like the levity in medicine because medicine’s serious, but at the same time, people take themselves too serious a lot of times. So it’s a nice, uh, it’s a nice play on the profession. And, uh, you know, it is a serious thing that you do, but you gotta have fun with it too.
Will: Well, I definitely appreciate the Canadians because my, my first, uh, My first.
Um, conference that I was invited to because of the glock and fleck and stuff was Toronto was, was emergency medicine update. I want to say EM update, which is a thing and it’s a thing. Yeah,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I went to it last year. Yeah.
Will: And that was actually my first. Introduction to what emergency physicians are like when they kind of like as a group, when they’re, when they’re just out having fun and, and, oh, they know how to have fun.
That’s for sure.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: For sure. They do. Yeah. It’s a different, uh, it’s a different beast, I think, uh, emergency medicine, but so it was always
Will: so. And so medicine, [00:19:00] it was always kind of there, uh, growing up, you know, you’re, you’re like the science thing you were, you think, and it was just understood that. That you, you weren’t, I thought it was interesting that, that your parents are like, you can’t, you won’t make enough money doing hockey.
Like that’s, that’s not even an option, but, but honestly, but here you are as, as you know, you’ve had probably the most success, um, or as much as success as, as anybody, uh, in hockey. And, and do you still feel like that was a correct assessment that like, well, you kind of do have to do something else.
Hockey’s not gonna. Yeah.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: And I always, I think the, the thing that happens is in the women’s game, uh, like I was the last player on the national team to get a university degree of all my teammates and, uh, uh, many of them had MBAs through the years, just highly educated, they went to NC, you know, Ivy league NCAA, all these things, um, because you know, you’re [00:20:00] preparing for a life after, cause there wasn’t really professional women’s hockey.
And even the professional women’s hockey that exists today, no one’s making any great. Yeah. Any great money at it. So, uh, you know, you just knew that. Whereas, you know, I work in the NHL now and, uh, you know, the men think differently because the salaries are much bigger, uh, they don’t, I think, tend to prepare for life after as well.
But the women do and did. So I had a lot of great role models before me that kind of showed me like, Hey, there’s a transition that that happens here. And although you want to prolong it and deny it for as long as possible, you know that it’s inevitable and it happens. So it seemed like any, you know, and I knew that I knew myself enough to know that if I didn’t have something when it ended, I’d be in trouble and I needed to transition and move into something else quickly because idle time for me.
Uh, wouldn’t be a good thing after spending from the age of 15 to, you know, 38 years old in my life in the national team. So it was just, I knew I had to be ready for it when it came,
Will: I can’t, I imagine you had the [00:21:00] easiest personal statement, uh, for your, for
Kristin: your med school applications. I
Will: mean, talk about it.
Just a slam dunk, uh, a shoe in, I mean, my goodness.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I don’t even remember. I know I didn’t get in on my first try, actually. I didn’t get in on my first try. And, uh, so I tell people all the time, just keep trying. And, uh, you know, I remember my interview, I had major foot surgery. Five days prior to my, my interview for med school the second time, and I had a cast up to the below my knee on.
I was like on opioids. I was like out of it when I went in there. And then halfway through, I started, I started crying when he asked me why I wanted to go into medicine. The funny part is that a couple years later, I was in the lounge at the airport in Calgary and this man came up to me and he said, Do you remember me?
And I said, No, I’m sorry, I don’t. And he [00:22:00] said, Oh, I interviewed you at med school, do you remember, and I went, Oh my God, I cried in front of you. And, uh, and the funny thing is he is an ophthalmologist in Calgary. So there you go. Um, I don’t, don’t remember his name, but, um, he said, Oh no, no, that was really good.
That was a tip to all the med students. Just cry. Who works going
Kristin: on
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: opioids and sob?
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Uh, did you, did you ever consider what, so when the first day you got into med school, was it always going to be emergency medicine the whole way or did you waiver? Did you think
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I, uh, I knew it was emergency medicine.
I knew, uh, yes, I knew it was going to be, I didn’t know the route, whether I was going to do five, two plus one family. Uh, as I got into it, I started to realize that. I’m old. I need to, I need flexibility. I need to get out as fast as possible. Residency, uh, felt like it was taking my life away from me at, like I said, I was 38 years old.
So I knew that, [00:23:00] you know, I started to realize, oh, there’s other, there’s different paths to get to where I want to go. Uh, and I can be creative with this. And I, and I knew that because I did that as an athlete too, as a girl playing with the boys and then playing men’s pro hockey. And I had to navigate this whole world for myself.
So I just, Thought, well, you know, I’m going to go in and take the shortest route to get out to get my life back and then I’ll navigate it that way. So that’s kind of how I ended up doing it. But initially I was always emerged.
Will: I think some people might have heard you just say, you know, playing men’s pro hockey and be like, what, what?
What’s going on there. How did that happen? So, uh, I think I would love to hear about that. What was that? Was that when you were playing in Europe? Is that?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. So I went over, um, after the salt Lake city Olympics in Oh two Oh three. I, I went to Finland. I played two seasons in Finland and their first division there.
And then I went back to Sweden in 2008, uh, and played, uh, [00:24:00] over there for a year as well. So it was just ways in between the Olympic years. Bridge the gap of trying to play the highest level that I could. And, uh, you know, it’s, yeah, it’s funny how life works. My son was in grade four when we went to Sweden in 2008.
Uh, and he said to me, mom, I’m going to live in Sweden someday. And he currently is doing his master’s in art history in Stockholm, living in Sweden. Yeah. So life has a funny way of, uh, You know, but it was a good experience for me. It was a challenge and, uh, I enjoyed it. It was hard. Was that
Will: an accepted thing to happen?
A woman playing in the mentally.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Not really. It was, uh, it took a lot, uh, to just even get a contract. I initially had signed a contract actually to play in Italy, and, um, I was driving to the airport in Calgary with, I had signed a contract, and I got a phone call saying that the Italian Ice hockey federation made a new rule that banned, um, a woman from playing in their first division.
So I had to turn around and go back [00:25:00] home. So I faced a lot of barriers before I got over there, but Finland was able, they were willing to take a chance. I remember when I stepped on the ice, um, the first practice, there was a hundred media from around the world, around the rink watching because they thought it was You know, no woman could play.
It was a publicity stunt, et cetera, et cetera. And then I took a few strides and they were like, I could hear the collective kind of gasp, like, Oh, she could skate. So, uh, so it changed. It changed a lot, but, um, yeah, it was, yeah, I think a significant part of my career was sort of being the first knocking down different barriers and just part of what had to be done.
Kristin: Yeah. Aren’t you tired? That sounds exhausting.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I, I find, I find I, I am at times. Um, I find it in Emerge. Um, I really have to manage my. I couldn’t, I, although I couldn’t imagine doing 20 years of emergency medicine, I don’t know how my friends have managed it and done it because it, it takes a [00:26:00] toll, you know, the shift work and stuff like that, but I think we need to love what you do, you know, you find a way.
And. But some days I’m tired. Yeah.
Will: Let’s take a quick break. I want to ask you about balancing these two things in your life. So we’ll be right back.
All right. Uh, Haley. So I, I want to ask about, so basically you’re, you, you work as which one’s your part time job or which ones, which one do you, is it 50 50 assistant GM for the, the, the or is it, is it a, Mostly emergency, but as like, you know, half and a half, how are you doing this?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I honestly, I, right now I would say I have, I have two full time jobs at any given time
Will: as one does,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: you’re one to talk,
Kristin: you
[music]: know, you know what it is, you know, just by day, by night.[00:27:00]
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah, that’s what I do. Um, so. Yeah. And any given day because the ebbs and the flows of the season and because of emerge, the way emerge works, it enables me to actually be able to do both. Um, so I would say both are full time. Uh, and most days I’m at the rink during the day and the emerge by. Evening night is how I do it.
Um, and yeah, I do sleep sometimes.
Will: Sometimes it happens for you. I do sleep.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. People ask that, but I do sleep. I actually covet sleep. I think it’s really important sleep and fitness. So I’m a big sleeper. I sleep a lot.
Will: But have you ever been, um, were you ever like, uh, Come on the training site because you know, I’ve met a lot of emergency physicians who, you know, are, they work at, you know, football games or soccer games.
And as you know, they’re just in case there needs to be a physician presence. Have you ever done that side of things? Or it’s [00:28:00] always more of the front office.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Uh, I would say that I do that right now in a very informal way, so I’m not on the medical staff per se, but
Kristin: many,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: many days I am, there’s no team docs at the rink during practice, so I am the most qualified person in the rink, and we’ve had instances where A lot of times it’s players getting cut, so I have stitched guys up that have been cut in practice or in the summer standing there in my skates, suturing lips and faces and cheeks and all sorts of things.
So, um, that’s gonna be the next question. What are the common injuries? Yeah. Uh, you know, you get, uh, you get a lot of lacerations of the lip. Um, you get broken noses, you get shoulders. Is
Will: that from pucks or is it from sticks or what?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Hopefully not fists in practice. That would mean they’re fighting. Uh, so we don’t want that, but, uh, sticks and pucks. Yeah. Yeah. The other day I had a player who had a stick right through his lip. Somehow [00:29:00] there was a hole there. So we, uh, yeah, so we, he, he finished the practice. I don’t know how he did it.
Just. Bit down on his lip until it was over and then had this giant hole. Uh, so that was interesting, but, um, yeah, often it’s pucks and sticks, errant pucks and sticks, often. How about orbital fractures? You get any of those? Yeah, we do see those.
Will: That’s good. I’m impressed. That’s good. Yes.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. We call OBSO for those.
Will: Those eye injuries. Yes.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: You get eye, we actually, unfortunately had a player last year. He lost his whole season to an eye injury and he’s back now. So you do get the odd eye, um, wearing a much longer visor than he had before. So, um, I would say it’s a lot of face, um, shoulder, and then you get groin and hip.
So you get a lot of groin and hip, labral tears, um, things like that, soft tissue injuries that come, knees, kind of, kind of get everything. But in practice, yeah, usually for me, it’s, uh, it’s the, the face and, and the upper that takes it, it takes a beating.
Kristin: Why do [00:30:00] hockey players not all wear just full length visors?
Will: That’s a good question. That’s a good question.
Kristin: Well,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: the women do. Because women are smarter. There you go. That’s what I say. I have all my teeth. Yeah. Although playing in Finland, like in the second game that I played there, I broke my nose. Because I was wearing a half visor. Because I It would not go well of wearing a full visor.
They would, it would just be like a target on your back. So I put a half visor on and I took a stick right across the bridge of my nose and it did not feel good. So it’s very painful when you get hit in the face, like with high flying objects. Um, so I think, uh, yeah. I don’t know. But now, uh, most players wear a visor.
Whereas in the past, you had the option to wear a visor or no visor, which I think now at modern day hockey, it’s crazy. Um, with all the facial injuries and how they shoot the puck 95 miles an hour, right? So, [00:31:00] um, yeah. So teeth, most of them have. Little to no teeth left by the end of their career.
Kristin: Yeah. I feel like it should be a mandate then if it’s show if it’s a sign of weakness to wear one well then just mandate everyone wear one and then you you get, you know, Rid of that impulse to not wear it because you don’t want to have a target on your back.
Will: Well, wasn’t there a time when hockey players didn’t necessarily even have to wear a helmet?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: What? Yes, there was. Yes. I think that
Kristin: changed in the 90s, 80s.
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing a photo of a professional player just. Not wearing a helmet at all, which
Kristin: I can’t imagine that went well,
Will: I mean, just, you know, I,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I, I can’t even imagine not wearing a helmet now.
It’s, it’s crazy. Even coaches wear helmets sometimes in practice now, just because. As you guys know, one, one puck to the bell and that’s, uh, that’s not good, but I
Will: guess tell us about your, the end of your playing career. I mean, you still apply [00:32:00] still play at some point, right? You can’t just turn that part of your life off.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah, I’m on the ice with the, the leaves. It’s probably four or five days a week because we go out on the ice in my role in development. Uh, you know, it’s on ice development as well. So I was just on the ice this morning, um, for a couple of hours actually with the, with the Leafs, the Marlies, the prospects, like our, our younger guys as well.
So it’s, it’s fun. It gives me my fix. I don’t technically really play, but I, I say I get to pass pucks to the best players in the world. So that kind of solved it. That says there’s a big coaching component
Will: to what you’re doing.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. I would say here, individual skills, development, coaching, psychologist.
Physician. Many things that on any given day. Yeah.
Will: Well, on the, on the medicine side, are you interacting with, uh, like med students, uh, residents? Is that, are you in a teaching environment there? I do not
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: right now, just because I find, um, I can’t, I can’t manage that. I’ve got a hard enough time managing myself.[00:33:00]
Will: I was gonna say, maybe that’s just one, one, one thing, too many.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. Yeah. I’m not there yet. I also feel like I need a few more years in practice to, you know, I think I’m pretty fresh. So I know where, I know where my limitations are and, uh, still have a lot to learn that way. So, um, but certainly, you know, in the hockey side, you do a lot of, you do a lot of mentoring, spend a lot of time with, you know, I have 10 staff that work with me every day that you try to.
Yeah. Keep in line and then the players and as the season goes, you go from, you know, the on ice technical stuff more into you spend a lot and I’m just talking about the psychology of managing stress and pressure and getting through your days and performing. So, um, I find it, it kind of is very soft skills of medicine that I use every day
Kristin: and you’re also involved in, like, mentoring young women in hockey, right?
Yes. Yes. Sorry
Will: about that.
Kristin: Yeah. It’s got a [00:34:00] whole festival named after her. That’s
Will: awesome.
Kristin: We need a Glock fest. You do.
Will: We all just sit around and crack jokes and write skits together. Yes. We’ve got costumes everywhere, dress up and whatever specialty you want,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: bring some levity. Yeah. I work with, uh, it’s a hockey festival for young girls, five to 18 years old.
We do it in, uh, Vancouver and, uh, Calgary and Toronto next year, we’re starting one in Las Vegas, but we’ve worked with 40, 000 kids since. 2010 and then they get on ice hockey tournament and then off ice, we do like professional development stuff. So whether it’s nutrition, self esteem, fitness, all that kind of stuff, they get to sign up for sessions off the ice.
So that’s sort of to my point earlier about developing the whole athlete. That’s I really, really believe in that, that, you know, kids should not just play a sport, but should get a lot of things out of sport too. So that’s where WIC Fest came from. Yeah, that’s awesome.
Kristin: [00:35:00] Yeah.
Will: So I have a lot of activity for us to play.
So this is, um, I have, I don’t have a name for this. Uh, I guess you’d call it a game by the numbers. We’ll call it by the numbers. So I’ve compiled a list of stats. So basically these are numbers, measurements, a variety of different things, and they have to do with either hockey or medicine or both. All right.
So I’m just going to give you a stat and you try to tell me, does this, what, what, what is the context for this number? Okay.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: All right. We’ll start off with an easy one. All right. Um, how about 40 weeks,
Kristin: 40 weeks,
Will: 40 weeks,
Kristin: pregnancy,
Will: pregnancy, right? Yeah, exactly. That’s how, that’s how this works. Okay. So 40, that was pregnancy.
All right. Here’s one. 108. 8 miles per hour.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: That’s, [00:36:00] uh, that’s, I think that was the hardest slap shot in the all star competition.
Will: That’s right. That’s
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: right.
Will: Do you remember who it was?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I’m trying to think it’s, uh, uh, it’s escaping me now. It wasn’t, no, I don’t know.
Will: Name starts with a Z. Was it, wasn’t
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Zidane O’Charo?
Was it? Yes. Oh, he still holds a record? Yeah.
Will: Uh, according to
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: this paper, he does, according
Will: to my limited amount of research that I did on this
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: 108 miles an hour right in the face. See that hurt. That
Will: would be impossible. Okay. Nice. You’re two for two so far. All right, here we go. Um, 100 milliseconds,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: 100 milliseconds.
Is this some I thing
Will: you’re so good is actually a both a thing one is the blink how long it takes to blink? Yes, the other one is the typical reaction time of elite goalies.
Kristin: I was gonna say yes [00:37:00] Yeah, I guess someone
Will: did that study to look at how quickly which is That’s incredibly
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: fast. Yeah,
Will: that’s amazing.
I think the study is
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: called the quiet eye, isn’t it? Is there something out there about the quiet eye? The quieter your eyes, your eyes are the window to the brain, as you know. And so the quieter your eyes, the quicker you’ll be.
Will: I like that. Yeah. I’m a sucker for anything eye related, obviously. So, um, okay, let’s see.
How about, uh, 20 minutes?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: It’s a period length.
Will: Period length in hockey.
Kristin: Not a period length in medicine. Very
Will: true. I was going another place with that. Very true. Okay, this might be kind of tough. 2. 8 inches.
Kristin: Oh, man. 2. 8 inches.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Is that, uh, [00:38:00] the height of a puck? No, can’t be. I’m trying to think of something outside the box. Close.
Will: It isn’t a measurement of something in hockey. I’ll tell you, it’s the average thickness of a hockey stick blade, like the,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: no, can’t be
Will: no. Okay. Oh, the
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: width of the blade. Yeah. Yeah.
Will: Yeah.
The width. Okay.
Kristin: All right.
Will: There you go. All right. All right. Yeah. How about 2. 8
Kristin: inches.
Will: Okay. The number is seven,
Kristin: seven,
Will: seven,
Kristin: critical pH. Uh,
Will: that’s a good one. That works. That works. It wasn’t on
Kristin: here, but it’s true. Critical pH. I’ve got a hockey.
Will: I’ve got a hockey version too.
Kristin: Seven.
Will: Uh, something that’s very much has to do with you.
Kristin: Yes. [00:39:00] World championships. Is that where you’re getting to close?
Will: The number of Olympic medals won by the Canadian women’s team. Is
Kristin: that right? First of all, did we get that wrong? Uh,
Will: I
Kristin: think
Will: I have five golds, two silvers. Is that right? Does that sound right? I
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: think you’re right. Yeah, that’s right.
Will: Of which you won four of those five and one of the silvers, right?
Awesome. What do you do with them? By the way? Where are they?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah, they are, uh, in a hockey sock in my drawer and half of them are here and half of the bird Calgary. I don’t even know where they are. Half the time. Honestly, they are like just wrapped up. You wouldn’t believe what people do with Sunday.
They’re not like hung with pride for most athletes thrown in a bag. Yeah. Like,
Kristin: Oh wow. Yeah.
Will: Is that like a hockey thing? Is that like a hockey thing? Or just like the personality of a. Professional athlete. I don’t know.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: It’s a lot of [00:40:00] my friends that are Olympians. It’s just I asked them and it’s the same thing.
It’s like, well, I’m always taking it somewhere. I might need it to get out of a speeding ticket. I keep it in my glove
Will: box. Keep it in the glove box. Oh, wait, let me find my registration. Oh, oh, look at that. It’s a gold medal. Oh my gosh. I can’t believe I left that there. That’s I have done that. I
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: have done that once.
Will: How else, maybe I should be asking you that question. How else have you used your, your, uh, uh, your Olympic medals for personal?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Mostly it’s to get out of things or to get into things. So, um, you know, depending on what you’re doing, but they can, they come in handy, but they are heavy. They’re like two pounds of metal and they’re big and clunky.
And they’re just kind of a. You came to drag around and then you worry about, oh, I can’t leave them anywhere. And so, yeah,
Will: I’ve got one more number for you. 379,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: 379.
Will: Yeah.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: [00:41:00] Uh, I wouldn’t be impressed if you, is this osmolality or something? You’re in the medical,
Will: I’m thinking hockey here.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: You’re thinking hockey.
Is this, oh, is this my total points or something? Yeah. Okay. Number of
Will: points.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: There we go. Yeah. Number of
Will: points in 276 games with team Canada,
Kristin: 168
Will: goals, 211 assists. What’s harder, assists or goals?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I always thought scoring was, whatcha more proud of?
Will: Whatcha are you more proud of?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I just felt like I was a playmaker, so Yeah.
You know, making a nice play. I always got more satisfaction out of, make it a play than, than scoring. Yeah. I think that was just my natural inclination, but, uh,
Will: nice.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Maybe scoring is the hardest thing to do
Will: Well with a, with a goalie reaction time. Yeah. A hundred. The blink of an eye. My god. Yeah.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Really. And they’re all six foot eight right now, so they’re huge.
It’s very hard to see any net.
Kristin: Oh, my God. Yeah.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. They’re big. They’re getting bigger. Is that it sounds like they’re getting larger. They are. [00:42:00] Every year the goalies get bigger and bigger. It’s amazing. Yeah.
Will: Okay. They’re gonna have to make the goals bigger.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah, I think so.
Will: Maybe one day. All right, let’s take a break.
All right, we’re back, uh, Haley, uh, one, one more important, uh, question we have, want to ask you about, uh, were you ever as a kid, uh, bribed into, uh, uh, participating in sports, um, and like trying really hard because we’re currently trying to figure out how to do this with our youngest daughter.
Kristin: Yeah, like she wants to sign up, we sign her up and then she gets to the games and she’s like, Oh, completely forgets how to run.
Apparently.
Will: So, so here’s what I decided to do. And you tell me, cause you work with a lot of young athletes. And so you tell me if this is way not a good idea. Um, I, I gave her a, so I told her that for every, um, for every [00:43:00] basket you get a dollar. Uh, for every rebound, you get 50 cents for every steel, you get a dollar and for every assist, you get a dollar.
Kristin: I think I had to point out the assist though, right? Like you were, you were very focused on like,
Will: well, the goal, right? And then I was
Kristin: like, Hey, we should pay her for assists.
Will: Well, that’s a good idea. But the reason is because at nine years old, like no one passes. Yeah, they just,
Kristin: they don’t know what to do.
Will: I think they’re so focused on just being able to dribble.
Yes. And that or shoot that they don’t think about how to, but actually she’s actually a very good passer. But so what are your, what are your thoughts on our, on our payment scale?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Well, I think it could be very lucrative if she decides she really wants to dig in. I, I’m already, I’m already 12,
Will: 12 bucks in the hole after like three, three games.
So
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: that’s, that’s good. No, my, my parents did never had to bribe me for sport, but they did say, if you don’t watch TV for one year, we’ll give you 500 bucks. And I didn’t. [00:44:00] Wow. So the bribing thing can work, you know, it was like, yeah,
Kristin: yeah,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I just, I know what’s
Kristin: going on. You just gave
Will: him an idea. That’s an interesting one.
Kristin: Yeah. Screens do it.
Will: Oh, man. Okay. Man. She’s really. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, okay. So, you know, I, and I know that we’re not the only ones doing this too, because I overheard another dad talking with his, with, uh, with another kid on the team’s like, Oh, you know. You get about how much money that they made to turn this.
So,
Kristin: yeah,
Will: so I’m not the only one out there, but we’re going to get
Kristin: all sorts of hate comments on this one.
Will: It’s fine. Whatever. I, I, we’re desperate.
Kristin: I
Will: have a professional athlete in my house. That’s
Kristin: oh,
Will: yeah.
Kristin: Sounds like
Will: you
Kristin: have to pay them to actually do it.
Will: That’s why she’s a professional athlete.
Kristin: Oh, she gets paid, [00:45:00] she gets paid
Will: to play sports.
Um, all right. So the last thing I want to chat with you about is, uh, a very uplifting topic, which is just the healthcare system. So, you know, I know for myself going through, um, medical school and residency, it really wasn’t until I had gotten to practice that I realized. A lot of the ins and outs of the U.
S. Healthcare system. We got our own problems over here. And so what’s the temperature on on the Canadian side of things in turn from a from a practicing physician standpoint? How are people feeling? How are people doing?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I think we’re probably facing very similar challenges to you guys. Um, uh, probably much less likely to get sued.
Um, however, uh, I, so the thing I always say is like, I’m pretty [00:46:00] fresh out. I’m a year and a half out, so I don’t have any reference point for what it was like before the pandemic I came through in the pandemic. And so when people talk, you know, I’m like, Oh, Oh, you know, it. You actually got a break. You actually got to go take, you know, go to the washroom.
You could actually look up for five seconds. So I think people are completely overwhelmed. Um, they are. I think burnout is a real thing. I think, um, it’s, uh, you know, there’s a lot of like moral injury inside medicine right now. And I feel for patients. I think patients coming in. Um, you know, where I work, it can be an hour wait, it can be nine hours wait, depending on the day and, you know, you do the best you can, um, the system to me as a rookie and really is, feels really inefficient and cumbersome.
Like there’s a lot of wasted time and paperwork and things that we could direct our resources to. So I, I think, you know, the system is broken, but the people in it don’t have to be, is the one [00:47:00] thing I would say. And I think that there’s a lot of, um, things that we can do as. Practitioners to protect yourself from it.
I mean, if you go to work every day and you just complain about how bad things are, then it’s going to be bad. But if you go in there and you find ways to find the silver lining and the levity and things have fun with the people you work with, try to bring others up. Then I think the day is just better.
So I try to choose. the optimism side of things. I do know that I, I get tired. I get crusty, you know, at different points in my shift in my working month or week. Um, so that’s when I have to come up for air and do the things that bring me joy and, and really stick to those things. So I think being an athlete for me first.
Has really helped me, um, covet. Like I talk about health and exercise and wellness, because I do think that that’s a real important thing to have is something for yourself, um, while you’re in this crazy intense world. Um, yeah, so I feel, I feel for patients and I feel for the people inside the system right now.
And, [00:48:00] um, we’ve got to, we’ve got to do something to look at medicine differently moving forward. I just don’t know that it’s sustainable the way it is right now.
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of overlap there with what we’re experiencing here. Uh, just keep showing my videos to everyone. Oh
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: my God. I do.
Will: That’s probably, that’s like half of it right there.
He’s so humble, isn’t
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: he? I have to tell you, my, my sister, um, and she, and I just talked to her before I came on here. She, uh, She wouldn’t mind me saying this, but she may have to have optic nerve fenestration done and I’m like, Oh my gosh, I’m going to ask Will what he thinks about this, I know nothing about it.
Fenestration, I know the other parts.
Will: So optic nerve fenestration is where you make an incision in the optic nerve sheath in the orbit and it’s done as a pretty advanced treatment option for people that have pretty severe papilledema. So increased pressure. Usually it’s either around the brain or even sometimes in the orbit.[00:49:00]
Uh, and so you have to relieve the pressure on the optic nerve somehow. No, it must be, it’s got to be with regard to increased cerebrospinal, um, uh, increased pressure from the CSF. And so, because you have CSF that’s surrounding the optic nerve as well, so you make a little incision in the optic nerve sheath.
That’s supposed to help save your vision. So it must be like, um, um, intracranial hypertension type. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a structural thing
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: that they’re trying to think of how to relieve it. So I said, I’ll ask the experts.
Will: Yeah, that’s, that’s a very, uh, advanced, uh, you got some good ophthalmologists though, up, up there.
So I don’t know where, where she is, but she’s a Calgary
Kristin: actually. Yeah.
Will: So, so great docs up there can do. I’ve seen that done a few times. It’s, it’s, uh, um, It’s a harrowing experience for all involved, but, um, but
Kristin: maybe don’t tell her that part, but does she have to be awake?
Will: Well, it was, I mean, no, no, no, okay,
Kristin: good.
Will: But, uh, [00:50:00] uh, I mean, harrowing for me watching it, the
Kristin: docs
Will: who were doing it seemed like they were, it was, you know, like just another day, one of these things. So I’ve never done one that’s, that’s, that’s, you know, above my, my training level. You have to do some extra stuff to be able to do stuff like that.
So, but I wish her the best.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. Well, the YouTube videos look harrowing, so that’s about all I mean it’s, in
Will: the machinery they use for that, it’s this massive, uh, at least whenever I saw it, last one I saw, which was like a decade ago, there’s this, this massive microscope, like more than, much more advanced than what, what we typically use for our like cataract surgeries and stuff.
So they got some pretty specialized equipment to do stuff like that.
Kristin: Very cool.
Will: Yeah. Um, well, I want to make sure that we, we, uh, mention all the things that you’re involved in. You know, we talked about a wick fest, which is awesome. I mean, just making such a [00:51:00] huge difference for so many, um, young people coming up playing hockey, but also just people in medicine showing that.
You know, you can have this other thing in your life that’s, can be very rewarding, uh, you know, and doing something outside of medicine as well. So I love that. Uh, you also have a book.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I do. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, uh, I wrote it a little, a couple of years ago now it’s called over the boards, but, um, it’s essentially a lot of what we talked about today of,
Kristin: um,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: you know, how to, how I, uh, break down managing stress, pressure, things like that and life inside the Olympics.
Will: And there’s a documentary, is that right? Oh,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: they did do it. Yeah. There’s a doc on crave called wick. It’s just essentially a story of my career. And
Will: that’s so cool.
Kristin: Yeah. Just, she just plays that off. So just a little documentary
Will: about my life.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I don’t know if it’s that interesting, but there it is. It’s on there.
I will
Will: be, I will lavish praise upon you because it is very [00:52:00] interesting. The. The list of accomplishments, the thing I was going to ask you, like of all the things that you’ve received from awards and notoriety and everything, what’s like the, what is like the, the thing that you’re going to be remembering?
Like what’s, what’s one of your. Your greatest memories, your greatest moments, uh, sounds like you will not be
Kristin: clutching your Olympic medals on your death bed. So what will it be?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: You know, I think winning like of all the Olympics, probably winning in Vancouver in 2010, just being able to win in your home country and just under the kind of pressure that it felt like we were under as Canadian athletes.
So that’s something I’ll I’ll cherish for a long time. Uh, you know, inside medicine. Um, actually, I think it was the first baby, okay. That I delivered as a resident. I walked in the room and, uh, the couple, uh, recognized me kind of right away. Uh, and the Leafs game was playing over my head on the TV. And so I was delivering this baby [00:53:00] as the father is watching the overtime.
The baby literally comes out and he shouts like the Leafs won in overtime, didn’t even pay attention to his child being born. And all it took all of me not to like fumble. Bumble and drop this baby. So all I was thinking the whole time is just don’t drop the baby, but the baby, you know, and then get out of there as fast as possible.
So, um, so I’ll cherish that I, uh, survived residency and got through medicine, uh, forever. It was a grind. Yeah.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: What was the, the gold medal, uh, what was the score, the gold medal match? Oh, three,
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: three, one, I think three, one. Who
Will: did you beat?
Kristin: You guys.
Will: I suspected, but I didn’t know for sure. I didn’t know if it could have been, you know, Russia or, or one of the other.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Well, it was Sweden in oh six in the final and then the Americans in 2010, but you guys are pretty good. They’re,
[music]: they’re still pretty good.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Decent. They’re all right. Decent. Yeah. Little brother.[00:54:00]
Will: I won’t sit here and pretend I’ve been like a major, you know, US hockey fan, so Yeah. . Dang it. Maybe next time
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: I . We just wanna keep the rivalry. We just wanna keep the rivalry. Canada and the us We don’t wanna become the 51st state, so you guys can Yeah, that’s right. Just
Kristin: leave it, leave it at hockey .
Will: That’s, yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s right.
That’s right. We may be taking Greenland, but I don’t know. We’ll see. Um, anything else? Do you have any last minute anything?
Kristin: I just, I mean, I know you can appreciate the sports and the medicine side of things obviously a little better than I can, but I just appreciate the, the mentorship and the role model that you are for young girls, especially as a mom of two daughters.
Um, I just love seeing that there. Are women that the next generation can look up to and that, you know, when the women are giving back and, and doing things for that generation, it’s like the cherry on top. So good for you for doing all of [00:55:00] that. I hope it continues to go well. Yeah. Oh, thanks Kristen. Yeah.
Thanks.
Will: By the numbers, we’ll get through wick fest over 40, 000 young girls.
Kristin: Yeah. It’s just. And
Will: that’s across, uh, Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, and Vegas. Is that right?
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah. We’re going to, we’re going to do one in Vegas. So heading into the U S first time next year. So why not Vegas? You got to go there.
Will: Classic winter sports area. It’s
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: great. It’s because we know all the parents want to go to Vegas. Yeah.
Will: That makes a lot of sense.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: Yeah.
Will: Well, Haley, thank you. It’s been a pleasure talking with you. Thank you so much for coming on.
Dr. Hayley Wickenheiser: No, thanks for having me, you guys. It was a lot of fun.
Will: That conversation made me want to go, uh, get on the, get on the ice.
Kristin: I would love, okay. I want to see it. Let’s go find a nice drink.
Will: I say that as I’m heating my lower back.
Kristin: Um,
Will: yeah, I’m ready [00:56:00] to get back, get out and get back on the ice.
Kristin: I’m just thinking of when you tried to ski and I would imagine it’d be about the same. I think
Will: I could, I could hold my own. I skate. I know how to ice skate.
Kristin: Do you?
Will: I can roller skate. I can ice skate. Yeah. They’re
Kristin: not the same.
Will: I know they’re not the same, but it’s, it’s a lot of the same kind of movements.
Kristin: Nope.
Will: Yes, absolutely.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: You do this, you do the thing.
Kristin: All right, let’s go. I would like to see this.
Will: Yeah, you’re talking like I’ve never ice skated before have
Kristin: you?
Will: Absolutely.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: Yeah,
Kristin: so, you know whether or not you can ice skate Okay. All right, but can you do any fun stuff or just like you can get around and I can
Will: do like a Double axle that’s all I can do.
That’s the only thing though. I mean, I’m not real good at it anymore I probably lost a step. Mm
Kristin: hmm,
Will: but You know, so anyway Used to be better. Sure. Could have gone pro.
Kristin: Mm hmm.
Will: Alright, tell us what you think of the episode, you guys. Uh, I thought it was [00:57:00] really fun talking with her.
Kristin: Yeah, she was great. She’s lived such an interesting life and she’s so nice.
And, I mean Five time Olympian. She’s Canadian. Every Canadian I’ve ever met. So far has been really nice, but that’s probably a stereotype. Do you think they get offended by that?
Will: No, because they’re too nice to
Kristin: get offended. I
Will: don’t know, but it was like, like literally like hockey royalty. We were just talking to you realize that, right?
I
Kristin: do. I know who she is. I did my research.
Will: Big deal. Yeah. Big deal.
Kristin: Really big deal.
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Will: Hey Kristen, how’s the eye contact with your doctor?
Kristin: Um, like when I go in for a visit and we’re having a conversation, it’s hit or miss, you know, sometimes they look at you, but a lot of the time they’re looking at their computer because they have to write down all the things.
Will: You’re a big eye contact person.
Kristin: I am, it’s a pet peeve if you’re not making eye contact when someone is talking.
Will: You’ve told me several times.
Kristin: Many, many times.
Will: You know what helped though?
Kristin: What?
Will: Dax CoPilot from Microsoft.
Kristin: That would help.
Will: It makes a big difference.
Kristin: Yeah, you’re right.
Will: Reduces administrative burden, lets physicians [01:01:00] focus on patients, make that eye contact, form a connection.
Kristin: That’s right. Not having
Will: to look at the computer all the time. Right. 90 percent of patients say their physician spends less time on a computer when they’re using Dax CoPilot.
Kristin: That’s what I want.
Will: It’s a big deal. 85 percent of patients say their physician is more focused with Dax CoPilot. You like focus,
Kristin: focus on
Will: you, focus on the patient problem.
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