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Singers: [00:00:00] Knock, knock, hi! Knock,

knock, hi!

Will: Hello everybody, welcome to Knock, Knock, Hi! with the Glockenfleckens. I am Will Flannery, also known as Dr. Glockenflecken. 

Kristin: I am Kristen Flannery, also known as Lady Glockenflecken. 

Will: Thank you for joining us today. We’ve got a great episode. I’m excited. I’ve been, I’ve been circling this one. I circle all the episodes on my calendar, especially the ones where we talk to each other.

Kristin: Oh, do you really? Absolutely. On your digital calendar. 

Will: Oh yeah. Always circling things. No, I’ve been really looking forward to this one. Uh, cause we’re talking to one of my favorite, uh, healthcare, social media people, Jen Hamilton. Uh, she is a labor and delivery nurse slash TikTok personality slash.

Whatever you want to call 

Kristin: it. Chicken swaddler? 

Will: Chicken swaddler. Yes. She’s got great content, informative, comedic. [00:01:00] I always appreciate a funny person in health care. I love a funny person in health care. And so we got to talk with her about labor and delivery. 

Kristin: We did. 

Will: I Let’s see. Do you have any, do you know much about your birth, your personal birth?

Kristin: I don’t 

Will: know a lot. Is there any photo or video documentation of it? Well, 

Kristin: there are photos of like after I was born, 

Will: like 

Kristin: in the hospital bed, you know? Uh, all I know is, is that, uh, my grandfather, who was my mom’s father in law. 

Singers: Okay. 

Kristin: Delivered me and my siblings. And incidentally my mom. 

Will: Okay, so, so your mom’s father in law.

Kristin: My dad’s dad. 

Will: Delivered your mom’s baby. Babies. Correct. 

Kristin: Babies. Multiple. Three times. 

Will: People were more comfortable around each other back then. 

Kristin: You know, I got some questions, I guess, but I don’t think I want to know the answers, [00:02:00] but I feel like people would have questions about that, but I, I’m a good mom if you’re listening.

I don’t need, I don’t need any details. 

Will: So, so that would be like one of our, one of my parents. It’d be like 

Kristin: if your dad delivered. 

Will: My children. No, I don’t think that would be a good thing. I 

Kristin: wouldn’t, I don’t think. First 

Will: of all, he’s an engineer. 

Kristin: That would be really a problem. Like there’s something gone really sideways if your dad is delivering.

The whole labor 

Will: and delivery situation is, is, it’s, it’s too erratic and unpredictable for an engineer’s brain. Oh, that’s true, 

Kristin: too. 

Will: To tolerate. 

Kristin: Yeah. I wonder how he was when you guys were born, you know, when his children were born, if that was just like, Too much for him to handle. 

Will: I think there is a, there’s a video of not the actual birthing part.

Maybe there is that exists. I’m not sure, but certainly like right after, like, I think I’ve seen a home video of me, like in the bassinet, like screaming my head off. 

Kristin: You still do that sometimes. I put you in [00:03:00] there. You don’t like it much. I shake it a little to rock you a little 

Will: adult sized bassinet. 

Kristin: Mm 

Will: hmm And then 

Kristin: helps me swaddle you 

Will: and I do have the scrub top that my dad was wearing 

Kristin: Oh, yeah 

Will: at my birth.

Kristin: Doesn’t it have the hospital’s name? It has a hospital name on it. 

Will: Yep So I’ve got it in our room. So that’s kind of 

Kristin: sweet. Yeah, 

Will: I don’t I bet he 

Kristin: was a nervous wreck though 

Will: Um, I could, I think so, yes. That, that, that tracks. 

Kristin: You, if you were a nervous wreck, you didn’t show it, so. 

Will: Well, I, you know. 

Kristin: But you were a little more familiar with the healthcare, 

Will: you know, scene.

I’ve delivered babies before. 

Kristin: Right. 

Will: I’ve delivered like three babies. Which 

Kristin: was a little bit maddening to me, honestly. Why? Because I wanted you to be a little more, I don’t know, not nervous, but like, I was too comfortable in the situation. Yeah, when you’re in healthcare, it’s just like, well, nobody’s dying, so everything’s fine, and I’m like, everything is not fine!

You wanted me 

Will: to stay [00:04:00] at the head of the bed. My 

Kristin: body is exploding. This is not fine. And you’re just like, cool as cucumber, like, this is no big deal. 

Will: Well, I try to, as best I can, counterbalance your extreme anxiety. So I feel 

Kristin: I was not I was anxious about the pain. 

Will: Yeah, 

Kristin: but I wasn’t actually anxious 

Will: Yeah, you did really you did amazing.

I’m 

Kristin: good in 

Will: Critical situation. It was not that it was 

Kristin: critical. It was a normal. They were both normal births But like I’m good in those kinds of situations. 

Will: No, you did awesome. This is I felt bad for you It was 

Kristin: it hurt a lot. Yeah, it 

Will: took so long. But yeah, should we get to our guests? Let’s talk 

Kristin: Stop talking about someone else’s labor and delivery experience 

Will: All right, here she is, Jen Hamilton.

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All right. We are here with one of my. Favorite people on Tik TOK, Jen Hamilton. I have to say, I hope you don’t mind. This is going to go in like a lot of different directions. Yeah. I got a lot of things I want to talk to you about. Uh, but first of all, I just thought I’d tell you like how I found you, which are the swaddling videos.

Jen Hamilton: Yes. I’m sure you 

Will: probably hear that a lot. 

Jen Hamilton: I do. I do. I get asked to like speak at nursing conferences and it’s so funny. Like the nursing people are people who I think come to me for the nursing stuff. They’re like, no, I originally found you. from the chickens and swaddling things that shouldn’t be swaddled.

Will: What was the first swaddle you did on TikTok? I think it was a cat. the first one. The cat, yeah. 

Kristin: Wow, that seems tricky. I would imagine cats don’t really [00:06:00] particularly enjoy being swaddled. Depending on the cat, you know, 

Jen Hamilton: it depends on the cat for sure. Do you have a 

Kristin: nice, like, old, fat, docile kind of cat that you can just sausage up in a blanket or what?

Jen Hamilton: Uh, I have a really fat cat who I think because of her, her body habitus. Makes it so she, um, is a very good swaddler, just, you know, so 

Will: any other, any other, uh, animal species you’ve, 

Jen Hamilton: um, husband species, child species. We do that sometimes. 

Will: That’s good. Oh, so you mentioned speaking at a nursing conference. I speak a lot at physician conference.

I don’t think I’ve ever done a nursing conference. How are those audiences? I imagine they, they’re a lot of 

Jen Hamilton: fun. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the wildest nursing conference I ever went to was like an emergency nurses conference. If you, if you want to see wild, that’s a, that’s the place to go. They, you know, every conference has like a party night or something where they like, you know, have like a gala or whatever.

The [00:07:00] ER nursing one, it was like at a, where were we? We were in St. Louis and it was like at a coyote ugly type bar. Okay. So there was like a, a bull. Like a mechanical bull and like a very sexy lady on the bull and like people getting trashed. It was, it was crazy. But yeah, they’re, they’re typically like just a fun group of people to be around.

Will: That’s a theme in emergency medicine. Cause the physicians I, cause I did the, I did the emergency medicine conference for the physicians and it’s a similar, a similar vibe for sure. I used to 

Jen Hamilton: be an ER nurse. 

Will: Yeah, I was about to say, didn’t you start your career as an ER nurse? Yeah, 

Jen Hamilton: a very newborn baby, uh, nurse.

I was, you know, knee deep in, you know, penises and drugs up people’s butts. And, you know, it was wild. It was wild. 

Will: Probably other things up people’s butts as well. Not just the drugs. 

Jen Hamilton: I’ll tell you the wildest ones. Do you want to know? Let’s 

Will: hear it. [00:08:00] Always 

Jen Hamilton: love a good 

Will: emergency story. It’s good. 

Jen Hamilton: An ink pen in a female urethra, um, all the way up into the bladder, just like straight up into the bladder with such force that it broke in two.

Will: Oh. 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah. Ow. 

Will: Ink everywhere. 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah. And then they also, there was this, uh, one who would come a lot who, um, was a resident of the local correctional facility. Um, and just really didn’t want to be at that correctional facility and would take bits of concrete from his jail cell that he could like scrape up and then put that inside of his 

Will: Oh, interesting, 

Jen Hamilton: but he would need to come and have surgery.

Will: Why on earth did you leave emergency medicine nursing? 

Jen Hamilton: I know why it was such a good time 

Will: How long were you doing that 

Jen Hamilton: six years and then the last year I was there I was the assistant director and that is what made me leave man. I hated it so much. [00:09:00] Oh 

Will: Was that like your first, like, leadership role? 

Jen Hamilton: So they stuck me in charge at one year of nursing experience.

And I thought, what an honor, you know, what an honor. They trust me so much. That they have placed me in this position of authority. No, it is because no one else would do it. And I was just that naive. And I’m sure all 

Will: the more senior nurses were, um, were laughing. Uh, I 

Jen Hamilton: am sure of it. I am sure of it. They’re like, ha ha, we got her to do it, you know?

So they didn’t have to, but yeah, I 

Singers: was, 

Jen Hamilton: I was in charge for five years or so. And then, uh, that last year I was, Big, big charge, but I did not like that at all. 

Will: And then six years and you were like, I got to do something different. 

Jen Hamilton: I was ready to do anything else, you know, like squirrel heart cats. I will, I will be your nurse.

You know, I was ready for [00:10:00] anything. Wild chickens. Yeah, exactly. So I actually looked for Jobs on like the job page for my hospital and I was only looking for schedule like that’s what I think I filtered it by was like Schedule and I found a weekend option position for labor and delivery and I was like, you know what in nursing school I remember it being pretty wet, you know, it’s just like a really wet place to work And so I wasn’t like super jazzed to try it cuz I would like it and then I went there and I shadowed And the nurse that I was shadowing was like, okay, let’s go meet our patient and there was not an S You At the end of that, 

Singers: I was like, 

Jen Hamilton: where are all the other ones that we are going to have?

And they’re like, no, no, no, we get one on a bad day, maybe two. And I was like, where do I sign? Sign me up. 

Will: That was, that was, that was attractive to you. It was 

Jen Hamilton: so attractive. But then, you know, you fall in love with it too. 

Will: Was the, um, the degree of wetness what you had anticipated? More. 

Jen Hamilton: More. 

Will: Yeah, it was more wet.

Yeah, [00:11:00] yeah. Okay. 

Jen Hamilton: I love this idea. Exponentially more. 

Will: I love this idea. Let’s rank the the nursing areas based on wetness. 

Jen Hamilton: Labor and delivery would be number one. I guarantee it. Top of the 

Will: list. Okay. Yesterday 

Jen Hamilton: I was working and I had a sweet patient. We were gonna break her water, right? So I always put a towel under there just to catch everything.

and, uh, Breaker Water. And if you turn on your sink at like half power and like do your fingers in it, like that noise is what it sounded like coming off of the bed. It was the whole bed wet and then, uh, dripping off the bed on both sides. I said you win. That was a lie. I take 

Will: it that’s not uniform in the amount of wetness when you you know, it 

Jen Hamilton: really it really varies You know, you can have you can break water and just get a couple drips out and then you can break water and uh, Do niagara falls, you know, 

Will: okay 

Jen Hamilton: just depends.

Will: What’s the least wet, uh area of nursing? Would you do you think 

Jen Hamilton: it’s a good? It’s a good question 

Will: because I imagine emergency is probably up on the high on [00:12:00] the list too. There’s a lot of wetness there 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah Maybe I was going to say like long term care. Cause you know, a lot of elderly people are pretty dried up, you know, but there is a lot of poop there, you know?

Will: Yeah. Yeah. 

Jen Hamilton: I don’t know. I don’t know. 

Will: Did the poop ever, does that bother you as a nurse? 

Jen Hamilton: No, no. And there’s a lot of people who think that it’s going to, but if I wasn’t okay with poop, I definitely wouldn’t work on labor and delivery because there is a lot of poop, you know, baby and mama poop so much. 

Kristin: It happens.

Yeah. 

Will: That might actually be surprising to some people listening. 

Kristin: Maybe, do you think, if there’s a bunch of medical people listening, I feel like they should know that. Well, I’m talking mainly 

Will: for the non medical people. 

Kristin: Yeah, yes, sure, when I was a new mom, not, no, not when I was a new mom, before, you know, when you start, when you get to the age that you start thinking, maybe I want to have kids at some point, right, like, and you kind of start, 

Will: You start researching.

Yeah, the 

Kristin: information. Yeah. Yeah. It’s one of 

Will: the first things you learn. There 

Kristin: are many things. There’s going to be food. You [00:13:00] rethink that for a few years. Yeah, exactly. 

Will: What was one of the more surprising things about starting on labor and delivery? 

Jen Hamilton: Um, that’s a great question. Anything 

Will: shocking to you? Like, Oh, I didn’t know I’d be doing this or that this would happen.

Jen Hamilton: Yeah, I did not know that I would be such an operating room nurse. Like that is something that I didn’t anticipate because you think labor and delivery just baby catching all the time. No, there’s a, I mean, I, the first day that I went into the operating room and just kind of saw what I was going to be doing, I was like, there’s no way, there’s no way that I can learn all this.

Like I was learning a whole new specialty. And then I felt like I was put in another whole new specialty. Um, but then whenever you learn the OR, you kind of feel like a bad ass a little bit, you’re like, 

Singers: Hey, 

Jen Hamilton: this is kind of cool. You know, like being in a, in a room where someone is wide awake while their whole insides are outsides.

It’s crazy. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. 

Will: Yeah. And then after a year of labor and delivery, they made you charge. [00:14:00] 

Jen Hamilton: I have so refused. And they’re, um, This last weekend, so on Saturday, they were like, Hey, you know, you’re going to be in charge tomorrow. I was like. Anyone else literally and I, I conned someone else into taking it from me because I’m like, I just, I don’t want to do it.

I love being a regular shmegular person at work. I just come in, I take care of my patient and I go home. It’s so nice. 

Kristin: That’s nice. 

Will: Tell us about your schedule. 

Jen Hamilton: Saturdays, Sundays. That’s it. 

Will: So that one 

Jen Hamilton: patient, two days a week, basically. Yeah. On a bad day too. And I don’t even want to call it a bad day because it’s rarely a bad day, but, um, yeah.

Will: It’s Was it hard to get that schedule? Cause, cause, you know, I hear a lot, obviously, healthcare right now, like Across the board, everyone’s struggling. It feels like, you know, burned out everything. And so, so was it, did you start on that schedule or were you working more frequently? I’m not sure, just how does it work in labor and delivery as a nurse?

Jen Hamilton: So [00:15:00] pretty much any area of nursing that you do, if it’s in a hospital, it’s going to be like three, 12 hour shifts is like a full time schedule. Um, for me being assistant director, I was there almost all the time. All the time, like I, because I was picking up a lot of those shifts where we were really short.

So I was working on the floor also in my office. So, um, for me going into labor and delivery, it was a, what they call 0. 75 schedule. So it’s not quite all the way full time. Um, but it’s not considered part time either. It’s kind of like in the middle, but I was working Saturdays and Sundays and then one day during the week, every other week.

So and then, you know, I was so burned out on nursing at some point. I was like even this is too much Now I just work Saturdays and Sundays It is such a good schedule because I get to be basically like a stay at home mom during the week And then you know, I still get that like of having adult conversations with adults.

So that’s nice, you know, being able to go somewhere [00:16:00] where there’s mainly adults. And then 

Kristin: that is preferable to having adult conversations with children. That 

Jen Hamilton: is true. That is, that is very true. I could be having those. Yeah. Yeah. 

Will: Well, I want to talk about, I want to pivot a little bit to your TikTok, um, because you just, I was, before we started talking, I was just going through like the last, like, several weeks of your content and seeing what I missed and, um, thankfully not much, but, uh, there was one you posted recently that were, that were Jen’s rules for, uh, For being a, either a nurse influencer or just posting as a nurse on TikTok.

Yes. And I want you to, I, I, I loved it. ILI reposted it myself and, um, and because it’s applicable to a lot of people, just pretty much anybody in healthcare actually can follow these rules. Yeah. So can I, let’s, I want to go through some of these. Yeah. Absolute. I would like talk about them. Yeah. So, uh, the first one was don’t TikTok at work.

Great, great rule. Um, especially if you’re an employee. Uh, [00:17:00] I, I have been on a few occasions, I have posted TikToks of myself at work. Uh, I feel like it’s a little bit. 

Kristin: In the building in which you work, but you’re not like TikTok ing while you’re working. 

Will: Oh, that’s true. That’s true. In the building. Yes, but not like after 

Kristin: hours when there’s nobody in there.

You 

Will: see so many people making that mistake, right? Like that’s like the first thing you get yourself into trouble, especially if you’re an employee and, and you know, I feel like it just always ends badly. So well done. That’s like a great, like first, first rule. 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah. You want to know something funny? 

Will: Yeah, please.

Jen Hamilton: So I’ve never TikToked at work. Never. But you know, I’ll do skits in my own home, but I’ll do green screen of like a random hospital room, right? I got called into the office at work and they were like, you can’t do, you can’t be TikToking at work. And I was like, I’m not. What? I had to explain what a green screen was.

And it wasn’t even our hospital, like it was a grainy, [00:18:00] hospital, random room photo. So yeah. That’s the 

Kristin: best part of that, is that they didn’t even recognize that that’s not their own hospital. Like, that’s a whole separate hospital. 

Will: You know, eventually, uh, leadership in healthcare at large will be well versed in social media.

It’s going to happen eventually, so those types of misunderstandings won’t happen. Rule number two that you said, hide your badge. 

Jen Hamilton: Take it off. Take it off. I see. People know who you 

Will: are, right? They don’t need to know. They don’t need to see the badge. And 

Jen Hamilton: if you’re doing like a skit or something, you can always like make your own, you know, like little nursey badge or something, but you know, even if you turn your badge around or you, you know, cover it, or you like, try to hide exactly the part that says where you work on there, people are going to find you, people are going to find you.

And it’s just one more reason that your hospital could say, eh, You can’t do that. 

Will: Was that the only time you had kind of got in trouble at work with [00:19:00] your content was whenever they thought the green screen was real life? 

Jen Hamilton: Um, there was, I had done a video where I was wearing my badge, but I taped the whole thing up and they were like, no, the shape of like the, the, the blue on it.

Somebody could. I was like, oh my gosh, . Okay. So now that’s why I, you also need to take it off. Wear 

Will: bag over your head and your head. Yes. Use a voice, uh, modulator. Mm-Hmm. To make. Yeah. 

Jen Hamilton: I will be marshmallow. The dj, you know, , right? Yeah. 

Will: Okay. And then the third one is, is one of my favorites post responsibly basically is what you’re saying.

Oh, yes. Right. Yeah. Making the point that, well, you make the point, you know, that, that we all, you know, if you’re a healthcare worker, like you have a certain level of expertise, whatever that may be. And people are going to look up to us, right? For accurate medical information. 

Jen Hamilton: Whether you believe it or not, you know, there are people that will trust what you say because you’ve gone to school for something like that.[00:20:00] 

Will: Right. And then, so that means doing your research, you know, make sure you’re, you’re, you’re, you have the most accurate information. And that’s something I appreciate that you do. I could tell like you’re, and also that’s part of it is also like not. Going like too far outside your wheelhouse. 

Kristin: So true. Do you mean like an ophthalmologist who pretends to be every specialty?

Hold on. 

Will: Hold on. All right. Slightly different. All right.

Jen Hamilton: Comedy is 

Will: different. Comedy is a little 

Jen Hamilton: bit different. Then 

Will: I would never like give like actual medical advice on you know a labor and delivery floor. 

Kristin: Oh, I know you don’t give any advice. Medical advice about anything, even me, in private, because you don’t have any. I 

Will: could tell you what kind of eye drops to buy.

Kristin: There you go. 

Will: Stay away from Visine, Jen. I don’t know. Okay, I will. But yeah. He 

Kristin: gets like a phone call on a special line every time [00:21:00] someone uses Visine. So yeah, don’t do that. 

Will: But I would say, that’s true, and it’s very expensive, but um, the phone line, the phone company doesn’t, I don’t know, they get weirded out about it.

But the, uh. It’s, I think it’s very common actually for medical quote unquote influencers to, to have their whole, their, their social media presence is giving advice, not like personal advice, but just like imparting knowledge about healthcare about medicine. 

Kristin: Right. They’re teaching. 

Will: They’re teaching. And so it’s, you see it so often that people start to kind of like creep outside the area where they’re really, they know what they’re talking about.

And you can tell it’s just kind of, they’re getting a little bit outside their area. And it’s, it can be dangerous because I don’t have the most up to date information about other specialties, clearly. And so it’s, um, that’s, I think that’s something, uh, a misstep that a lot of people take. 

Jen Hamilton: Absolutely. And, you know, [00:22:00] like, just like with physicians, nursing.

There’s so many different specialties. And so I have made videos before about, you know, there will be people who ask me like, Hey, can you talk to me about like tetralogy of flow? You know, like something that happened in their, in their baby or something. I know about it. I do not treat babies with that. So I am not going to speak on it.

Like I am never going to give information about something that I don’t actually see in real life. You know, of course I might see it, but I don’t do it, do it. So I think that that’s where people get in a lot of trouble. Like they know just enough about a subject to be dangerous. And I think that that is trouble.

Recently there was, um, a nurse who works in long term care who made a video saying that, uh, prenatal care is not necessary. And That kind of triggered me a little bit, especially because I’m caring for those patients who don’t get prenatal care, whether it’s by choice or by circumstance, or, you know, like they [00:23:00] don’t have the resources and I see what can happen.

But recently there has been more of this, I don’t want to call it a trend, but that’s the only word that is coming to my brain, but like a trend of where people. are not getting prenatal care, uh, because they trust their bodies. That’s the, that’s a lot of this, the saying that I’m hearing is they trust their bodies to do the right thing.

And I wish that that’s all that it took to have a healthy pregnancy, but it’s not, it’s not meaning that there’s something inherently wrong with you that sometimes things go awry, but saying it’s not necessary to get prenatal care. Someone could hear that from a nurse, you know, Oh, a nurse is saying this.

So obviously they know and like, Oh yeah, I don’t need to go get prenatal care. I can, I can just trust my body. And so that’s so dangerous. And I, I want, especially nurses or healthcare providers to understand the gravity and the weight of their words and what their words can mean to somebody who [00:24:00] is trying to make really important decisions for themselves.

Kristin: I think that’s why it’s so important for healthcare professionals to be on social media because there are plenty of people who are on there talking about things, you know, maybe in less responsible ways. And so if that’s all that’s available for people to find, then we’re going to see more and more of these kinds of behaviors, right?

So you have to kind of counteract it with accurate information. 

Will: Yeah, we need to be out there, but but do it responsibly, right? 

Jen Hamilton: There’s a lot of people who are getting their medical education from tick tock I mean like that’s where they’re you know They get diagnosed with something or they’re worried about something and they tick tock is kind of like a Google search now I mean you can type stuff into The search bar and find all sorts of stuff about it.

I love to do that for restaurants, but not so much medical 

Kristin: Yeah, time and 

Jen Hamilton: a place. Yeah 

Will: All right, don’t start drama. That’s another another Tip that you have for people. I will make one caveat about this [00:25:00] Unless it’s insurance companies, then you can like start, start all the drama, like get it going. People need to talk about the drama, but, uh, in general, I agree with you.

Yes. 

Jen Hamilton: Start good trouble for good things. That’s right. 

Will: There’s good trouble and there’s bad trouble, but, uh, there is a lot of drama out there. 

Kristin: Yeah. Human nature just amplifies it. Well, it does. Especially in the healthcare 

Jen Hamilton: community. 

Kristin: Yeah. Like there’s so 

Jen Hamilton: much drama. 

Will: Yeah. And people, people engage with it and, 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah.

Will: That’s like the, God, the biggest. I started social media on Twitter, you know, now X, and that’s one of the biggest changes I’ve seen is now that it’s monetized, it’s, it’s just all like engagement farming now and clickbait rage 

Jen Hamilton: bait. Oh yeah. Yes. The 

Will: rage bait. So much. All right. Let’s take a, let’s take a short break.

We’ll come right back.

All right. We are back with, uh, nurse Jen Hamilton. So Jen, how many, how, what percentage [00:26:00] of the comments that you get or messages on social media are just people sharing their birth stories with you? 

Jen Hamilton: So much. So much. And I, I so appreciate that people are Um, you know, trusting of me to share really, really vulnerable things.

And I, a lot of times what I find is that I learned so much from what people have gone through on how to be better, um, cause a lot of birth trauma, and this is what I speak on whenever I go places, um, is about. A, a birth that was very normal. And I’m putting that in air quotes for people that are listening a normal birth, that was not communicated in an empathetic or compassionate way.

Right? So birth is not something we do every day. It’s a lot of times not something that people do many times in their life. And so you don’t know what you don’t know. And there can be things that are really scary that happen during a normal labor and birth course that. So hearing people’s stories can feel very traumatizing, or if you have somebody who’s just not being, you know, kind with their words, or listening to you, or [00:27:00] believing your pain, like, those are the things that really cause a lot of birth trauma, like, I say that, you know, birth trauma is often not caused by an event, it’s caused by people, so hearing people’s stories has just allowed me to have more perspectives that I don’t think a lot of nurses get to hear, so it’s nice to, it’s a lot, it’s really heavy, for sure, But I’m grateful for people sharing their stories.

Will: You can relate to that. 

Kristin: Yeah. Birth is something that we don’t get to talk about. You know, you’re not supposed to talk about it in polite society, right? We don’t really hear any conversation that might happen is usually like behind closed doors, like maybe with family members or sleep your mom or something, but, um, or sisters, but there it’s not like out in the open, you know, the, I mean, it’s getting better these days, but historically it hasn’t been something that people get to hear a lot about.

And so. Even when it’s not a traumatic experience, just, it’s the weirdest thing because, you know, people have been doing it for all of human history, but at [00:28:00] the same time, it is the weirdest, most bizarre moment of your life, right? Like you grow this little parasite and then it pops out and it’s like this old man Benjamin Button looking creature.

Right. That you feel intense. desire to just protect, you know, and that, but then your body has just exploded in one way or another or many. And I, in my case, I mooed like a cow for a while, sort of, right? Like you make these sounds. It wasn’t voluntary. I wasn’t trying. Uh, it’s the most bizarre thing and, and nobody can, can talk about it afterward.

Like, how do you process that if you’re not supposed to be, you know, sharing all of that information? 

Will: Jen, could you swaddle a cow? 

Jen Hamilton: I could try. Yeah. I think maybe a calf. If you try hard enough. 

Will: Well, Kristen, I was going to say you could [00:29:00] relate, obviously, yes, because you have birth children, but also because you get a lot of, Stories from people about yeah, we go around talking about when she did, you know Chest compressions on me and saved me when I had my cardiac arrest.

It was very 

Kristin: dramatic Yeah, and so we do get 

Will: a lot of emails and I hear a lot of 

Kristin: stories of people who did the same thing and in Most cases just as we know the statistics most of those stories the loved one or the person did not survive And I hear, you know, the, the stories about that. And, um, it’s kind of similar, you know, like I, uh, I’m honored that they want to share that with me.

And I am very passionate about. talking about that things, right, that we’re not supposed to talk about and putting them out in public so that they don’t have to be these secretive, shameful things. Uh, but then at the same time, it’s very triggering, you know, because that is my, my trauma as [00:30:00] well. And so just to have to relive my own trauma all the time, because I’ve made the decision to do that in order to, you know, advocate for people that have gone through these things.

But then as part of that, I also take on everyone else’s stories. And yeah, it’s, it’s Like you said, it’s, it’s heavy, but um, it’s also kind of a, a privilege, I think. 

Will: I talk about eye herpes sometimes. 

Jen Hamilton: You can get eye herpes? 

Will: You can. You can. Oh my 

Jen Hamilton: gosh. 

Singers: Oh 

Jen Hamilton: no. You can get 

Will: all kinds of sexually transmitted infections.

Actually herpes is not the sexually transmitted one. That would be like gonorrhea or chlamydia. I really quickly turned this into a gross eyeball thing. You always do. Sorry about that. 

Jen Hamilton: So do you always feel like you’re. You’re now having to like, forever, you know, make it up to her. Because she is like the reason that you’re here.

That’s so You would think so, wouldn’t you? You sure would. 

Singers: What an 

Jen Hamilton: interesting thought that might be to start doing that [00:31:00] now. How long ago did that happen? 

Singers: It 

Jen Hamilton: was four years ago now. Four years. So now you, not only do you have to spend every day from now, now that you know that you should do that, but also make up for the four years that maybe you haven’t.

So. Oh, good point. Gotta double up for 

Will: a while. Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. I mean, like all of this, basically this whole social media thing that, that we’ve built up, like it, it happened since the cardiac arrest and none of that would have happened, you know. 

Jen Hamilton: Wow. Yeah. So you owe everything to that beautiful lady next to you.

I 

Will: absolutely do. But I was going to say, you know, cause I asked you like what people, you know, send you messages about, well, you know, like most of the time, the mess, a lot of the messages I get are, can you have like a medical bioinformatics character at your hospital? Like 

Kristin: super specific. Or 

Will: can you have a, a cardiologist who’s like a fellowship trained in veins?

Jen Hamilton: So applicable to most people, you know, exactly. 

Will: But one of the things I get asked a lot is like, when are you going to have a [00:32:00] nurse character? 

Kristin: This is good. Like, I want to hear her thoughts on 

Will: you 

Kristin: playing a nurse character. Because 

Will: there’s this, this, uh, like dogs and cats, like there’s, there’s this, uh, this.

Centuries old, perceived conflict, whatever, uh, back and forth, relationship, I 

Kristin: don’t know. Okay, perceived conflict maybe, but what’s real is there is a power differential. Dynamic, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 

Will: There definitely is. But I think there’s a right 

Jen Hamilton: way to do it. I do. Because I think that you could play into a lot of the cultural things that happen between doctors and nurses that are funny.

You know, like I especially have, you know, I’ve been a nurse for 12 years now and I’ve seen many doctors in many different, um, eras of their doctoring. Okay. So I’ve seen, you know, a lot of the dynamic. And I think that one way to [00:33:00] do that is to talk about, you know, how much nurses do know. And that sometimes doctors do take that for granted, especially if they’re coming fresh, they’re green, they’re a little newborn baby of, of doctor.

Um, and I’ve seen, I’ve seen a lot of, you know, nurses kind of Come in and, I don’t want to say save the day, but like, help the doctor to, um, you know, maybe catch something that they hadn’t caught before, you know, because what you don’t want to do as a doctor, especially, is, uh, you know, play into the, the negative stereotypes of, of nurses, you know?

Will: Right it is it’s it’s somewhat of a minefield as as a physician to To depict a nurse in my content and I have done that a few times actually Yeah, I have I have been a charge nurse a couple times. 

Jen Hamilton: I think I’ve seen an OR Some OR, OR charge nurse. Yes, 

Will: that’s actually very popular. Uh, I like that one. Yeah.

And then I did one where there was, it was outside. I think I’ve only done one that was like [00:34:00] outside of the OR nursing and it was a med student or a resident care member. Interrupting nurses sign out and then and then the next shot is the the nurse that I was playing Cleaning blood off of her hands.

And then you see the shoes from the the the body behind the sink So so anyway, you know, that’s like the one time and I don’t know. I just I feel like it’s it’s It’s just, um, like you said, there’s a lot of the power dynamics make it difficult. And it’s not just between doctors and nurses. Like you see that with between even like residents and attendings and med students and attendings and, and patients and anybody in medicine.

Right. And so trying to navigate those, um, can be really challenging. 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah. I don’t blame you for not going headlong into that. Cause I know that that can be. Really, 

Will: it’s hard. [00:35:00] Yeah, and and I’m just waiting for you to start creating all these characters and nurses Hey, it might 

Jen Hamilton: happen. 

Will: I could send you some props.

I have a lot. 

Jen Hamilton: Do you okay? 

Will: I have a closet back here full of props Actually, so, you know I’m happy to help. 

Kristin: He says props, I say trash, potato, potato. It’s all like empty salt canisters.

Discarded children’s toys. 

Will: How are you feeling though about social media in general? On a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being just pure fun, 10 being it’s a 9 to 5 job, like where are you, how do you feel about your social media presence? 

Jen Hamilton: I love that we’re going like pain scale for this. I love it. 

Will: Yeah. 

Kristin: So can we do pediatric pain scale with smiley 

Jen Hamilton: faces?

Yeah, 

Singers: exactly. 

Jen Hamilton: Um, so you said one is fun. Ten is not. Yes. I’m gonna give it a two because it’s almost always fun. I feel like I’ve [00:36:00] done a pretty good job of trying to prioritize my life and put it in a correct spot, right? So I’m not the kind of person who’s like following my family around with a camera or like trying to make everything into content.

And I think that that’s kind of where kind of people get burned out, where they harm their families, you know, and stuff like that. It’s just weird. Also not, I haven’t monetized as much as I, I know that some of my friends have, and yeah, that would, that would definitely financially help me, but I don’t want to turn it into something that I have to do to like, survive.

I still work as a nurse. I have no plans of stopping doing that. Um, and It’s still fun for me. I did have to take a break a little while ago They’re just too much like I put too much pressure on it, and I found myself like on my phone constantly No, I’m still on my phone constantly. Don’t get me wrong.

It’s less, less than always, but [00:37:00] I feel like doing Not constantly, 

Will: just sub constantly. Yeah Just like a step below constantly. 

Jen Hamilton: Like I can’t go to the bathroom without my phone. Are you the same way? Like I can’t take five minutes without scrolling, you know, so that is, is alarming to me, but it’s still You can do two things at once.

Yeah, exactly. It’s still fun. It’s still fun at this point. And if at any point it doesn’t become that anymore, I feel like I could walk away because. I have not set up my life to be dependent on social media, meaning like financially. That is key. That’s 

Will: really smart. 

Jen Hamilton: I, we haven’t moved. We haven’t bought new stuff.

We haven’t like gone, I mean, we’d go on like a couple vacations, but not like anything crazy. I feel so bad for the people who have done that, like, Oh, I’m making, you know, 20 grand a month or something. So I’m going to build my life around making 20 grand a month. So I’m going to go move and buy this house based on the fact that I’m going [00:38:00] to continue making, you know, more than 20 grand a month.

And then it goes away. You know, I’m not naive to think that all of this could be gone tomorrow. And if it was, it wouldn’t change the way that my life is set up, I guess. So it’s still fun for me. 

Will: Good. Yeah. And you said, uh, one key thing is maintaining your connection to, to your content, right? Uh, and that’s a big reason why I haven’t cut back on my job either, you know, clinically, uh, because, you know, it’s, it’s, I think it’s really important.

Uh, it gives you authenticity. And, uh, you, you have that trusted expertise in your area. And if you, if you quit your day job to pursue, even if they’re, the opportunities might be more lucrative, it’s, it’s not going to be as authentic. 

Singers: I 

Kristin: know exactly what you said is why I haven’t let him quit his day job.

What did I say? I forgot. About not setting up your financial life around social [00:39:00] media. That’s so true. 

Will: All right. Uh, last thing I want to do with you is just a little game here. Uh, that’s called labor and delivery myth or fact. 

Jen Hamilton: Okay. 

Will: Okay. 

Jen Hamilton: I’m ready. 

Will: So I’m going to, uh, read off some of these statements and I’m going to switch between you and Kristen.

Okay. Oh, for, for, you’re going to tell me. Okay. Is this a myth or is it a fact? 

Kristin: You know, I can see the answers. 

Will: Don’t read them. Just don’t read them. Okay? Look, we don’t we don’t have our printer set up right now So I couldn’t print it out and hide it from you. All right, I feel like that’s 

Jen Hamilton: very real not having your printer You know what i’m saying?

Like we’ve gotten through life so far with like I have a printer over there It has it’s just basically storage for everything sitting on top of it. Yep. 

Will: The fax machine works, but the printer no I’m, just kidding. All right. All right, Jen. Here’s the first one eating spicy food can induce labor You 

Jen Hamilton: I wish that was true.

I wish it was true. 

Will: That is a myth, a very common myth, apparently. Yes. So, uh, it, uh, What 

Kristin: is the thinking that, why would that [00:40:00] theoretically work? I 

Jen Hamilton: think the stress on your body can kind of send you into something, or if you’re eating something really like salty, spicy, like dehydration can cause contractions and stuff, I think that they’re, It’s happened enough to people that they’re like, Oh, this, this is what sent me into labor, but you’re not going to go into labor until your body is ready to go into labor.

Will: There you go. All right, Kristen, the baby might come out faster if you laugh hard during labor. 

Kristin: I don’t think that’s even a myth. I think you made that up. 

Will: Well, uh, maybe I was just hopeful that people could watch my videos and it could help birth babies faster, but I don’t think that’s the case. 

Jen Hamilton: It is true in pushing.

Oh, okay. Because of 

Will: the Valsalva kind of maneuver. I have had people 

Jen Hamilton: laugh their babies out, okay? They must have had a really good, like, spinal block. Yes, they did. They for sure did. Um, I think laughing is good for [00:41:00] everybody at any time. But yes, it is. If you’re laughing when you’re pushing, you can definitely, I’ve also had people throw up their babies out.

Will: Oh, that’s less fun. 

Jen Hamilton: Laughing, laughing and throwing up are great pushing. So it’s just, I mean, 

Will: it’s like a, yeah, it’s a form of, like you’re, the maneuver is similar, right? Yeah, yeah. You’re kind of pushing against your diaphragm or whatever. So you can kind of say true 

Jen Hamilton: on that, kind of. Kind of 

Will: true, kind of, kind of true.

All right, Jen. Bouncing on a yoga ball can help start labor. 

Jen Hamilton: Oh, I wish that was true also. Because you see people bounce and bounce and bounce and bounce and bounce, uh, it’s not going to send you into labor unless your body’s ready for labor. It helps with gravity, right? So if you’re going into labor, you’re in labor, having that like gravity situation can help your baby get into position.

It’s not going to make your labor progress faster per se. 

Kristin: But is that to do with the ball or is that just because you’re sitting upright instead of laying down? 

Jen Hamilton: I think it’s to do with the [00:42:00] ball and then the up and down motion. Yeah, 

Kristin: the bouncing. 

Will: Yeah, I’m learning a lot All right, Kristen eating pineapple can help induce labor 

Kristin: well You’re doing a common, like, the same thing over and over, just changing it.

Our friend Jen here has said many times Nothing will induce labor except for your body being ready. All 

Will: right, we’ll switch. Let me give you a different one. All right Babies are more likely to be born during a full moon

Jen Hamilton: Actually, it’s true. I feel like, I feel like it should be true. You know what I’m saying? Cuz like In my own experience, you know, it’s crazy. Like same thing in the ER, you know, we aren’t superstitious, but we’re a little stitious. And I swear, I swear it was true. But statistically, if we’re doing math, if we’re doing studies, they say it’s not true, but 

Will: And there have been studies done, by the way, there, there have been.

Yeah. I’m sure you know. [00:43:00] 

Jen Hamilton: Pressure changes can cause some, uh, like. This is what I’ve been told like water breaking stuff So we will get storms sometimes and we’ll have like a run of people coming in because their water has broken and they say I Don’t know if this is if this was to study I need to Google it but that the barometric pressure changes in weather and stuff can change like pressure inside and maybe Uh, help people’s water break.

Maybe. 

Kristin: Non conclusive. 

Will: Maybe. Yeah, 

Kristin: yeah. Heard through the grapevine. Possible. Impossible. This may or may not be 

Jen Hamilton: true. Don’t quote me on it, but it feels true. 

Will: All right. All right, Jen. How about this one? You can determine a baby’s gender by the shape of the pregnant belly. 

Jen Hamilton: No. 

Kristin: No, you cannot. No, you cannot. We have like the position, right?

Like they say that like, if you’re carrying higher or lower. 

Jen Hamilton: Yeah, right. No, 

Will: baloney, baloney, baloney. Okay. And last one, last [00:44:00] one. 

Kristin: Who’s it for? 

Will: Um, everybody. This is not really like, you know, labor and delivery, but a little before. Okay. We’re going to do it anyway. Frogs can be used to test for pregnancy. 

Kristin: Uh, this is super outside the box.

Never heard of that. Is 

Will: that how they used to do it? Male and female frogs were used to test for pregnancy until the 1950s. They were injected with a potentially pregnant person’s urine and if they were pregnant, visible eggs or sperm appeared. 

Jen Hamilton: What? Whoa. 

Will: Frogs. That’s 

Jen Hamilton: wild. 

Will: People fact check that claim for me, please.

Kristin: Yeah, that is wild. 

Will: All right. This is like half assed internet research here. 

Kristin: Yeah, right. 

Will: But I, What would 

Kristin: that be though? Like, let’s say it is true. What would it be like, there’s a pregnancy hormone in the urine that then stimulates something? 

Will: You’re going to have to ask an amphibian expert. I don’t know.

[00:45:00] What do I look like? Babies are kind of amphibious. I mean, 

Jen Hamilton: That’s true. So maybe, I 

Will: don’t know. Um, Oh, our, our producer just shared a link with us. 

Kristin: Okay. Apparently there’s an Atlantic article that talks about how a frog became the first mainstream pregnancy test. 

Will: Wow. Look at that. It doesn’t 

Kristin: say whether it was an accurate pregnancy test, but 

Jen Hamilton: it 

Kristin: was 

Will: used.

Any other big myths that I missed? I don’t know. That’s all I have for you. I think the biggest one that 

Jen Hamilton: can cover so much is just knowing. That ain’t nothing gonna send you into labor until your body is ready. So don’t be, don’t be hurting yourself. I know, I know. Don’t be, don’t be drinking 

Will: castor oil. 

Jen Hamilton: Yes, please don’t.

Oh my goodness. Please stop doing that. Yeah. Even us trying to get you into labor. If your body is truly not ready, it’s just not. 

Kristin: Well, the problem is though that you are ready far before your body is ready. Right. [00:46:00] And you 

Will: will 

Kristin: try anything to get that thing out of you. Mm 

Singers: hmm. 

Will: Well, Jen, what, um, what do you got going on in your life that you want people to know about?

Jen Hamilton: I’m writing a book. So that’s coming out. Uh, yeah, eventually I have my manuscript due in February. So I’m writing a book and it will be about, so I give all my patients promises in labor. Like I promise to be your advocate, promise to listen to you, promise to never keep secrets from you. And so it’s about the patients that I’ve cared for that caused me to start making those promises.

So it’s, uh, patient stories mixed with like, uh, Labor and birth information and stuff. So it’s kind of like narrative slash, um, slash prescriptive stuff. So that’s really fun. And other than that, uh, just living my best life, trying to survive on the internet. 

Will: That’s good. In your little woven basket. 

Jen Hamilton: Yes. 

Will: And people can find you on all the social media or many of the social media platforms, but TikTok.

[00:47:00] If they just, if they 

Jen Hamilton: look. Jen Hamilton. You’re the only Jen Hamilton 

Will: out there. 

Jen Hamilton: The only one. I do have a blue checkmark, so that that should help. 

Will: There you go. That’s good. Well, thank you so much. I’m so glad we finally got to do this. I feel like I’m trying to put a finger on like exactly why I like your content so much.

It’s informative and you’re funny, too. That’s, I always gravitate toward funny people. But, um, also your accent. Do I 

Kristin: have one? 

Will: You do. 

Kristin: A little bit. A little bit of a draw. It’s, it’s a little 

Will: bit, but it, uh, because I grew up in, we both grew up in Texas. Yeah. Okay. But, um, so we grew up around Texas. Accent like southern accents, but I always appreciate someone else that talks as slow as I do 

Jen Hamilton: Perfect.

Will: So it’s, it’s great. I love, which I did also hear recently that that actually portends like a truthfulness and, um, [00:48:00] and expertise. If you talk slow talkers, 

Jen Hamilton: I’ll just keep talking even slower. 

Will: Yeah, exactly. Like, it’s I don’t 

Jen Hamilton: know about that. 

Will: Look, I read it on the internet. I’m gonna need to on that. So it’s true.

Okay? It has to be. 

Jen Hamilton: It 

Will: has to be true. That was, uh, it was awesome to talk to you finally and good luck with everything. Look at the book. so much 

Jen Hamilton: for having me. Yeah. This is 

Will: awesome. Alright, take care, buh bye. 

Jen Hamilton: Hey 

Will: Christian, you know how it’s kind of hard to make friends in your 30s? 

Kristin: Yeah, cuz you don’t see anyone or go anywhere.

Life just 

Will: gets complicated, right? With kids and work. 

Kristin: Right. 

Will: Well, I brought some friends for you. 

Kristin: Aww, 

Will: who? Demodex! 

Kristin: Okay, 

Will: Demodex mites. You 

Kristin: shouldn’t 

Will: have. They can just live with you, on you, all over you. Yeah, what do you think? Aren’t they cute? 

Kristin: Well, these ones are, but I don’t think the real ones are quite this cute as the stuffed ones.

Will: They’ll listen to you. They’ll listen to your secrets. Oh, I’ll keep 

Kristin: them. Locked away in their ribbed bodies. So 

Will: these little guys, they live on your eyelids, and they [00:49:00] can cause a disease called Demodex blepharitis. 

Kristin: Yeah, like itchy crests. Red, flaky, 

Will: irritated eyelids. That’s right. No one wants 

Kristin: that. 

Will: No one wants it.

Uh, but it’s important that when people hear this, they don’t get freaked out by this. You gotta get checked out, checked out, not freaked out because, you know, coming to the eye clinic, we’ll talk to you about demodex and demodex blepharitis and see what’s going on. To find out more, go to eyelidcheck. com.

Again, that’s E Y E L I D, check. to get more information about Kristen’s new friends here. Demodex blepharitis.

Did that bring back memories of your, of your time? Labors and deliveries. Labors and deliveries. 

Kristin: It did. That’s, that’s, uh, I’m glad I did it and I’m glad I don’t have to do it again. So, I don’t know. I think the labor and delivery nurses, I, I love them because they You spend a [00:50:00] lot of time with them. You do, and it’s a very scary, vulnerable position to be in, and, and they’re always there taking care of you.

And there’s not, you don’t get people to take care of you a lot as a mom. And so it’s nice to go somewhere where someone’s taking care of you. But you said I did 

Will: my best. I don’t know. 

Kristin: You did, you did a good job. It’s just, They’re more qualified. I 

Will: get it. Yes. 

Kristin: But you said something that I thought was, was interesting and worth bringing up, which is, and it’s not untrue, but I think there’s nuance to it.

You said that the, we were talking about the power dynamics and the differentials and hierarchies there. And you, you said patients and anyone in healthcare, and I, I just think that’s interesting to think about, like, to pause on because. Part of that feels not right to me. You know, like I know your point is it is a, it, I just said it, it’s a very vulnerable position to be in as a patient, but that is not all [00:51:00] that it is.

Like you are also still a person with agency and in some ways it should be the other way around, right? That the, the healthcare providers are there to help the patient, 

Singers: the 

Kristin: patient should be. in charge in some ways, right? It’s their body, their life, their experience. And so I think looking at it that way is just a little too simplistic.

If it’s like they are lower in the hierarchy, I think it can have some dangerous implications if healthcare providers are considering themselves to be. Um, above, excuse me, to be above the patients. 

Will: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I definitely don’t think about it that way. I see what you’re saying. 

Kristin: Both at the same time, you know, like there is this like responsibility privilege component to it, that you are taking care of someone when they are vulnerable.

Will: I’m coming at it from a comedy standpoint. Like you don’t make fun of Yeah, for sure, 

Kristin: comedy, right. You wouldn’t [00:52:00] do that, but just like within a healthcare profession. Mm hmm. Mm 

Will: hmm. 

Kristin: You know, I don’t know that it’s that simple in that case. 

Will: Agreed. Yes. So I’m I’m 

Kristin: right as as always or 

Will: yeah, you know, you know, just yeah like 80 percent right 

Kristin: All 

Will: right, should we take a look at a story?

Yeah 

Kristin: All right. 

Will: So this story comes from Joseph Joseph says I’ve been following your skits for a while But as a general surgeon doing locum locum’s work I have delved deep into the world of podcast and realized that you That you had yours I love it. I love the dynamic with your wife too, since I started doing locums, it has been stressful on the family, but it is great to hear other physicians from our generation be real about it rather than push our families to the side.

I love the nuance of humor and satire directed at our healthcare system. I think it does help to humanize us and I think that it is what our generation of physicians has to offer. We want to have personalities and [00:53:00] actually show up for our families rather than continuing working. 100 hours a week while going through multiple divorces.

Keep up the good work. Thank you so much. On a humorous side note, in order to improve my penmanship for writing letters to my children, I bought a calligraphy book to practice. That may make for a good skit somehow. Letters from Dr. Claus or something. I will leave the creativity up to you. 

Kristin: Calligraphy is an interesting choice for penmanship.

Like, are you writing letters to your children in calligraphy? I am intrigued. I want to know more. I 

Will: know, right? It’s, you know, it’s good though, because my penmanship is, it’s just gotten worse. It’s really, I mean, it’s just scribbles. I have like my writing here on the page and hardly anybody could read it.

You can probably read it. I can probably 

Kristin: read it, but even for me, it’s starting to get a little bit like, you’re not even trying to make letters, but you’re just making marks. I 

Will: appreciate that, uh, that note from Joseph, uh, because I always love it when people like heap enormous amounts of praise on me.

Before telling their story. 

Kristin: Yeah, you have a very fragile [00:54:00] ego. So you need a lot of like positive reinforcement. 

Will: Send us your story. Knock, knock high at human content. com. And, uh, uh, what a wonderful guest. That was so much fun. 

Kristin: She is a blast and she is intelligent. And she, you can tell she’s a very good nurse.

Will: Absolutely. Uh, Jen Hamilton on all, on social media, on TikTok in particular. Um, and, uh, look out for her book in February. That’s it’s maybe not coming out in February. I think you said it was 

Kristin: She said she has a deadline to turn it in Later just 

Will: follow her now so that you can get updates on when her books.

I know I’m gonna get it That’s definitely I need to learn more about labor and delivery. That’s that’s a big part of it. 

Kristin: I mean you were there 

Will: I was there. I still remember most of it, too All right. Lots of ways you can reach out to us. Uh, let us know what you thought about this episode, um, about labor and delivery and, uh, you can email us knocknockhigh at human content.

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Kristin: That’s right. Within the 

Will: past what month or six weeks at something? 

Kristin: It’s new at Glocke. Ffl at 

Will: g Guam. Flein. Multiple Glock Flecks. Glock 

Kristin: and Knife. 

Will: Yeah. . We’ll just leave it at Glock and. Uh, we can give you a shout out if you comment. At 8kindsofblue on YouTube said, So before watching, I believe the fully formed baby eyes and the carrot propaganda.

And now I know for sure glasses aren’t like drugs. You don’t get a tolerance. Thanks, dude. 

Kristin: Lots of eyeball myths out there. I 

Will: did an episode of Knock Knock Eye about eyeball myths. One of which being that you need to like be just housing bags of carrots to improve your eyesight. Which is not true, just eat a normal balanced diet, and that baby eyes do grow.

You’re not [00:56:00] born with fully formed, fully grown adult eyes. That is a massive myth. 

Kristin: You are, they, they are larger, though. Proportionally speaking. Well, they 

Will: just look a little bit larger, yes. Um, but 

Kristin: baby Yeah, I don’t mean physically larger, but yes, the appearance is larger. Yeah, baby 

Will: proportions are all crazy.

They’re, 

Kristin: they’re just chunky. Full video 

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I started shouting that part. I feel like it really helps. Does it help to shout? No. You tell me over and over again it doesn’t help to shout. Yeah, 

Kristin: people don’t [00:58:00] like shouting. 

Will: Yeah. Sometimes shouting is fun. 

Kristin: Happy shouting. 

Will: It could probably help birth a baby. Knock, knock. Hi is a human content production.

Kristen, what would you say is the most important part of my job as an ophthalmologist? 

Kristin: Helping people see better. 

Will: That’s a much better answer than getting home at five o’clock every day. 

Kristin: Yeah. I mean, I do like that part too. That’s good. 

Will: The most important part of my job is not clinical documentation.

Kristin: Right. That is the most Most worst part of your job. 

Will: I have to do it. It’s important, but I like doing other things too Like restoring eyesight. 

Kristin: Yeah. 

Will: Talking to my patients. Right. Developing those relationships. 

Kristin: Looking at them in the eyes. Yes. 

Will: You know what helps me do that? The DAX copilot for Nuance.

That’s true. Yeah. It’s, it’s [00:59:00] ambient technology, AI powered. It helps me actually like maintain those relationships. I can actually develop. Uh, a rapport with patients that you can’t do otherwise. People 

Kristin: tend to prefer it when you’re looking at them when you talk instead of typing. 

Will: 80 percent of patients say their physician is more focused with DAX Copilot.

85 percent say their physician is more personable and conversational. 

Kristin: Well, how about that? You could use a little help in that area. I 

Will: need a little, a little boost from time to time. To learn more about the Nuance Dragon Ambient Experience or DAX Copilot, visit nuance. com slash discover DAX. That’s N U A N C E dot com slash discover D A X.