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Will: [00:00:00] Knock, knock, hi! Knock, knock, hi!
Hello, everybody. Welcome to Knock, Knock, Hi! with the Glockenfleckens. Here I have Kristen Flannery, also known as Lady Glockenflecken.
Kristin: Right, and you are Will Flannery, also known as Dr. Glockenflecken.
Will: Welcome to an episode of Glock Talk. We’re just talking about life.
Kristin: Yeah, you know, before we start, I feel like, I feel like,
Will: I
Kristin: feel like we have to address the skeletons in our closet.
How many skeletons do you
Will: have in your closet?
Kristin: Well, Gerald’s right there, over my shoulder.
Will: That’s my skeleton. I own him.
Kristin: Well, we co own him. What’s mine is yours. What’s yours is mine.
Will: Okay, so let’s not do this.
Kristin: What’s yours is mine. What’s mine is mine. Well, if we both know about it,
Will: it’s not a skeleton in the closet.
Kristin: For those who are just listening, they’re like, what are you talking about?
Will: We like to pose our new, we have this new [00:01:00] skeleton that is featured in the background of our episodes if you’re seeing on YouTube and I put
Kristin: him in the closet. We dress
Will: him up, we put different props on him, put him in the closet, out of the closet, uh.
Kristin: I just really wanted to make that dad joke. Yeah, that’s good.
Will: I know, I know you do. Very well.
Kristin: You love a good dad joke. What better way to start this podcast? Puts you in a real good mood.
Will: It’s good, especially today. I’m, I’m recovering. I had a cross country trip over the weekend. Yeah, I don’t know how you
Kristin: do that.
You fly, you do this fairly regularly, where you will fly. All the way across the entire country, west coast to east coast. And we’re like, on the edge of the west coast, no less. And you do that one day. The coast,
Will: you mean? The coast of the coast? Yeah,
Kristin: like we’re not just like over in the west. Sure. We’re like almost falling off the continent out here.
Portland,
Will: Oregon. Yes.
Kristin: So all the way across the entire country, you do that in one day, you go to bed, you [00:02:00] inevitably get in very late because there’s a three hour jump ahead to the east coast. I do, I hate
Will: flying east.
Kristin: And then you get up at like, I don’t know, five or six in the morning on the east coast.
So that’s.
Will: Two or three in the morning
Kristin: according to your body.
Will: Oh, yeah, it’s terrible. And then you give
Kristin: a keynote.
Will: So
Kristin: and then you get on a plane and you like you turn around and come back all in just like two days. It’s too much. I
Will: spent I spent 11 hours in In Charleston, South Carolina over the weekend.
Kristin: And then like how many hours getting there and back?
Will: Yeah, like six more more hours. A lot of hours. But it’s I hate, I don’t like traveling. I can’t be good for your body. You go, oh, it’s terrible for my body. Yeah. But like, the thing is, when you’re, when you travel to the East coast, what I’ve found is that I am going to be up until like one or 2:00 AM Right.
Anyway, you
Kristin: can’t just like get there at 11:00 PM and fall asleep. What’s, that’s eight o’clock.
Will: So then I was like, why am I, [00:03:00] why am I trying to arrive on the East coast, uh, like earlier or like the, the day before or just. You know, why don’t I just work? Are you about to
Kristin: say that you’re going to try to fly there the day of?
No,
Will: no, no. No, I don’t. Well, I’ve been thinking about doing more red eyes.
Kristin: But here’s the thing what if what if something happens and you get delayed or it’s like it’s canceled we don’t
Will: think about that We just
Kristin: oh, yeah,
Will: I mean, I think the airline industry
Kristin: But it’s still gonna happen. So I think
Will: the airline industry is known for always being punctual.
Uh
Kristin: huh. Very reliable that is Oh,
Will: I don’t know. It’s friendly. It’s just like I because I can I can function really well in the short term Period of time like it’s the next day
Kristin: stay up for a long time
Will: so then the next and that’s part of what medical training like helps you with but Even I haven’t lost that yet, even though I’m an ophthalmologist But it’s it’s if I didn’t get like very little sleep the night before Something the next day [00:04:00] I can function pretty well that day
Kristin: Right, you’re on the adrenaline at that point.
Will: And then it hits me the day after.
Kristin: Right, when you get home. Which
Will: is fine, like, I’ll just, I’ll go, I’ll do my, I’ll be on, I’ll be funny, I’ll be, I’ll do my talk, and then I can just, like, crash, and then, uh, you guys have to bear the brunt of that.
Kristin: Exactly. There it is. You said it, not me.
Will: But here’s the thing.
That is, I think, unique to medical conferences, that I find particularly challenging about what I do specifically when I go and talk to a group of people. Medical conferences love starting at like 7. 30 in the morning.
Kristin: Medical and education.
Will: Same thing. Maybe it’s everybody. Teachers
Kristin: are used to getting up real early, too.
Will: Yeah, maybe it’s just everybody. Like conferences in general, they just start early. They have a lot to get in
Kristin: there.
Will: And the thing is, and I’ve learned a lot about like the dynamics, like during, doing a keynote and audiences and everything. It’s very [00:05:00] obvious that obviously the, the organizers for the conference, they put the keynote, bam, first thing, because they want people in the door.
They want people to get there as early as possible, because then people will be like, Oh, there’s this talk. Once you’re there, you
Kristin: may stick around.
Will: Yeah, well, the thing is, they need people to be in the exhibit halls. Like, early. Right. Right off the bat. They need people there. They need people seeing the signs and the advertisements and things, because that’s what helps pay for the conference.
Right. Like it or not, The money to like, rent out McCormick Place in Chicago, like that money’s gotta come from somewhere, and it’s gonna come from the exhibit hall, so they need people getting there early. My issue, not really an issue, it’s something I’ve figured out, is like, I have to make these people laugh at 7.
30 in the morning.
Kristin: Right, that’s what they hire you for. People, when
Will: I go to a conference, I’m like, people expect to hear jokes [00:06:00] and that’s, I have done that to myself. Like that’s,
Kristin: that’s what
Will: I do, right? And, um, and so it is, uh, sometimes a particular challenge though, because how many of you, how
Kristin: many of you
Will: are ready for comedy?
As soon as you, like 30 minutes after you wake up in the morning. Because I, I’ve seen what some of you look like coming into conferences at 730 in the morning. A bit rough, I mean, you just, you just traveled, you know, it’s Might
Kristin: not be in your time zone.
Will: It’s challenging. The, the hardest thing Is, uh, is those East Coast because the West Coast people, like if it’s a national, big national conference, they just, they’re zombies.
You know, you just, you’re not functional at that, that hour coming from the West Coast to the East Coast, but, uh, it’s a little bit better on the West Coast early morning because all those East Coast people, right? They’re
Kristin: like, where’d it go? It’s like midday for them.
Will: They’re absolutely ready. So, I don’t know, it went well, [00:07:00] that great crowd, uh, there’s a bunch of oncologists,
Kristin: and
Will: they got good sense of humor in oncology.
Kristin: Yeah, it’s another one of those you gotta laugh so you don’t cry kind of specialties. Exactly,
Will: exactly. I think people are probably tired of my complaining about Trying to make people laugh at 730 in the morning.
Kristin: Yeah, I’m not sure how relatable it is, but have I
Will: ever made you laugh at 730
Kristin: in the morning?
Oh, God, no, I don’t know if anyone is capable of making me laugh at 730 in the morning. You’ve seen me in the morning.
Will: Oh, I know, I know, you are dead to the world. Yeah, I am in physical pain
Kristin: because it is morning.
Will: Maybe that, that’ll be like my, my goal in life, maybe just once. If I like, what’s the early, I’m wondering what the earliest I’ve ever made you laugh.
[Music]: Oh boy.
Will: It’s gotta be, probably like 3 or 4 in the afternoon.
[Music]: Now
Kristin: during this podcast I laugh.
Will: That’s a, okay.
Kristin: That’s a, we’re usually recording in like mid morning is about when I turn on.
Will: [00:08:00] So, 11am, 10. 30, okay, that’s, that’s not bad. Yeah. I think I, I’ll pat myself on the back for that.
[Music]: Yeah.
Will: All right. Well, let’s, uh, I have a couple of little segments for us to do.
Let’s take a quick break.
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All right, we are back. So, Kristen, let’s do a little, why is it like that?
Kristin: Why is it like
Will: that? Why is it like that? Where you take some random thing that is at least somewhat associated with healthcare, that is a bit confusing and you’re not sure why it’s like that.
Kristin: And
Will: you asked [00:09:00] me to explain why it is in fact like that.
Kristin: Okay. I have one. Okay. What
Will: do you got?
Kristin: Why is it that. You and I I think other doctors as well.
[Music]: I’m
Kristin: not sure about other types of health care professionals, but you are very very weird about Wearing your scrubs in public like if you have to go, you know We’re parents of school age kids You have to go straight from work to like a soccer game or something Like if I’m in my work clothes, I would just show up in my work clothes, but you will not do that You will not just come from work in scrubs You And then participate in the regular world without changing your clothes first.
I find that odd. Scrubs are really comfortable.
Will: Yes,
Kristin: and every, I mean, is it, like, you don’t, I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t get it. Tell me.
Will: Yeah, because I do that. Like, even, like, if you’ve, there have been times when I’m coming home from work, you have asked me to stop at the store.
Kristin: Yes, even just like run in and [00:10:00] get a gallon of milk or something like and I’ve done it a few
Will: times But I feel very self conscious.
Yeah, I
Kristin: don’t get it
Will: being in there with like in scrubs
Kristin: why
Will: because I guess scrubs are thought of as dirty as as Contaminated as full of like I am just covered in some kind of like infectious diseases and other people’s DNA Like that, that’s the, that’s the assumption. That’s what people think.
Kristin: Can I tell you something?
What? People don’t think that. Only people in healthcare think that.
Will: Good point. Good point. You’re
Kristin: regular. So we’re like
Will: just policing ourselves.
Kristin: Yes, you are.
Will: It has nothing to do with the general public.
Kristin: I scrubs, I’m like, oh, they’re a healthcare worker. It doesn’t bother you at all. They came
Will: from work. It doesn’t bother you at all?
Kristin: No, I thought you were going to say that maybe you were too, you were self conscious about making it seem like you’re like, Showing it off that you’re a doctor or something like wearing my scrubs in public. That’s what my guess. Do you
Will: feel like that? Do you feel like it’s showing? No, I
Kristin: was just trying to find some that’s the only thing I could come up with why [00:11:00] someone might be so weird about no No,
Will: I think and the thing is for me personally as an ophthalmologist.
My scrubs are never Yeah, they’re never any more dirty. They’re never, one time I got a little pink tinged something on the pinky of my glove during a surgery. Um, I had to document that, uh, blood loss on, on the, on the.
Kristin: Not even measurable.
Will: In general, like my scrubs are no more dirty than like anybody else’s work clothes.
In fact, your normal clothes,
Kristin: I guarantee you, your no more clothes are way dirtier than your scrubs. Cause you normally would be wearing like gym clothes. That’s just your, your go to I’m out in the world.
Will: So I think it’s, it’s my own personal neuroses that a lot of my fellow healthcare professionals, physicians feel because.
Yeah, I, I, it, it doesn’t really. Also like
Kristin: grocery stores are dirty. Think of how many people are in there. [00:12:00] Like the world is a dirty place. I don’t know why your scrubs are any dirtier than the rest of it. I mean, if you were like seeing patients that had like really contagious diseases or, you know, you were just covered in blood or something, obviously you don’t go out in those.
Will: So I think there’s certainly a difference in like me who might be wearing like, you know, brand name scrubs. That are nice scrubs, that cost like, you know, 50 bucks for a scrub top or something. It’s basically
Kristin: just a work uniform. It’s
Will: a work uniform. There’s a difference between that and outpatient medicine.
Where, honestly, I don’t even need to be wearing scrubs. Versus someone who’s working in a hospital. Where there are a ton of really bad things in hospitals. There are patients, you know, with respiratory infections. And there are patients with, you know, with C. difficile
[Music]: colitis,
Will: who are pooping 30 times a day.
And you’re walking into those rooms and, and so [00:13:00] there’s definitely a difference. My problem is like, I don’t think people, in my mind, people won’t see that difference and they’ll just assume that I am.
Kristin: No, let me tell you something as a member of the general public, that’s not the case. Nobody thinks about that.
Will: But here’s also the deal in this again. We’re just we’re doing this to ourselves
[Music]: Yeah,
Will: but I certainly like look kind of funny at people who like, okay, here’s an example on this trip Them a little bit a little bit this trip to Charleston. I Saw somebody wearing scrubs in the airport,
Kristin: okay
Will: Like, why do you need to do that?
Kristin: Cause they’re really comfy travel clothes.
Will: No, no, no. It’s, there’s no, and these were like the classic cheap hospital scrubs. Like there’s a difference between the scrubs I wear, which are like, you know, nicer scrubs versus. The paper thin, [00:14:00] crappy, greenish hospital scrubs. And I’ve seen people out in public at the airport going on a trip wearing that.
Maybe they
Kristin: had to run straight from work. Maybe their mother is dying and they’re flying to say their last goodbyes.
Will: But probably not. I don’t know. You never know. And also, I see it a lot with, um, with like pharma and industry reps.
Kristin: Okay, again. Not dirty.
Will: But they might be. That’s the thing. We don’t know.
They’re probably not ophthalmologists.
Kristin: Just walking through the hallways. Not even the hallways. They’re not making it past the lobbies or the conference rooms. What if it’s
Will: a gastroenterologist?
Kristin: Again, I say, if you have bodily fluids or output on your clothing. It’s a
Will: microscope. You might not see it. You might not see it.
If
Kristin: you put your everyday clothing under a microscope, it’s gonna have all that stuff. Put it under a black light, you can see a lot of it with your own eyes. It’s not
Will: gonna have C. Difficulitis.
Kristin: I don’t know. What have you been doing? It’s not
Will: gonna have [00:15:00] tuberculosis.
Kristin: Okay, maybe not. But how can, okay, so let’s assume that there is something on there, okay?
Will: Okay.
Kristin: How likely is it that you will spread that something? to others and they will be afflicted by the disease associated with it.
Will: Very low chance that that would happen. But we’re also, especially on an air, in an airport, like you’re enclosed in a metal tube. Yeah, I’m just saying it matters what you were
Kristin: doing before that.
Like you can’t just make a blanket, no scrubs in public. So you’re wanting, you’re
Will: wanting a randomized control trial.
Kristin: No, I just saying, if you’ve been around Horrible diseases that are able to be spread by you wearing your scrubs, then don’t wear your scrubs. Otherwise, who cares? They’re comfy.
Will: So this is a, there’s a couple of scrubs related arguments that are constant in medicine.
Like, there are a lot of people that feel like you, they’re like, it’s, it’s not really that big of a deal.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: There are other people that are more on my side of things, they’re like, just change your clothes. Are those
Kristin: people all [00:16:00] germophobes? Just change your clothes.
Will: No, I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t know. Um, maybe, maybe not.
Kristin: It’s a genuine question, like if it’s really an actual, like, probable scenario, a reasonable amount of chance that you are going to spread something to someone, then sure. What I’m questioning is, is it?
Will: We need a, we need a hospital doctor to weigh in on this.
Kristin: Hmm, a microbiologist.
Will: So let’s, let’s get our audience on this.
You guys, let us know. We need
Kristin: to do a poll.
Will: Email us, knikeihuman content. com. We want to hear what you guys think about this debate. Are scrubs out in public in a non healthcare setting okay? Because I say, like, just change your clothes,
Kristin: Okay, but if that’s the question, then there has to be like a yes, no, and then a third option that’s like depends on what you’ve been exposed to in those scripts.
Will: There’s a true medical, like, emergency, like, you gotta get somewhere, sure, I [00:17:00] see it, but I don’t think that’s the reason why most people are in I ask
Kristin: you to stop at the store and get a gallon of milk after you’ve been sitting in a cushy air conditioning building all day doing, I don’t know what, looking at people, then I think that’s fine.
Will: Sometimes I have to open up a chalazion, a stye, in the clinic and then there might be a possible chance that a small drop of blood could.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: End up on me.
Kristin: Worst things end up on you here at home.
Will: Okay. You’re probably about right. Yeah. I think Milo’s probably gotten worse things on me. That’s
Kristin: what I’m saying.
Yeah. Between him and the children. He threw
Will: up on me once. Yeah,
Kristin: I was
Will: trying to, uh, there’s like You sent
Kristin: me a condolences card after he threw up on you.
Will: I did do that. Because
Kristin: you weren’t here, and so I had to deal with it, and that violates our deal for getting a dog. You are supposed to take care of all responsibilities and messes.
Will: There’s that, that moment of sheer panic when I swear, okay, this, here’s a good idea. Here’s [00:18:00] a really good idea for an alarm clock. It’s just, it’s just the sound of a dog dry heaving because there is nothing, not even a page, not a code blue. There is nothing that has gotten me out of bed faster
[Music]: than that.
Will: Then that sound, the dog
[Music]: makes
Will: nothing and all of a sudden our dog weighs 65 pounds. I have enormous strength immediately after waking up. You can get
Kristin: him to any hard surface.
Will: I will get him off of the, of, of carpet, of rugs so fast.
[Music]: Yep.
Will: Onto hardwood or even better, outside. One time I didn’t make it though and I did get all over myself.
So, um, anyway.
Kristin: My favorite Milo mess story, I don’t know, maybe this is too gross for people, but was, I’ll just make it really short, is when you came home after like, It’s either like a really long day of work or I think maybe even a trip or [00:19:00] something and you were just like really tired Want to come in see your kids just like have a relaxing day and you walk in and it’s like a war zone of diarrhea All over our house.
That was the first thing you saw when you walked in the door and it was amazing Everywhere. That was
Will: a terrible.
Kristin: He had like horrible bloody colitis and it was awful.
Will: It was bad. You know what? I wouldn’t have worn those clothes out.
Kristin: Sure. I would be, I would agree with you on that one. We, we’re in agreement there.
Will: Okay. Speaking of bloody poop. Um, great. Should we talk, let’s, let’s do healthcare news real quick. Should
[Music]: we? Okay.
Will: Because. Can’t wait. Uh, I feel like this happens at a lot of different of the locations for the Olympics, where there’s always like stuff about like the body of the natural body of water that certain events are.
And Taking place like the triathlon is like just polluted.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: [00:20:00] I know the same thing happened in Rio at the Rio summer Olympics, which is like 2016 or something and ended up not being that big of an issue. Well, the same thing’s happening in the Sen river and they did, um, uh, they do like these checks and it’s like, whether or not.
The E. coli levels are too high for people to swim in.
Kristin: How in this day and age do we still get E. coli in the rivers where we also get our drinking water?
Will: I mean, there’s, we have like filtration systems that will keep us from dying of dysentery.
Kristin: Yeah, so I guess after you take it out of the river, you clean it, but like, people go in the river.
Will: Yeah, maybe they shouldn’t.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Anyway, that’s just a quick little update on what’s been going on in the Olympics. E.
Kristin: coli infested. Yeah, people are
Will: very concerned about the triathletes.
Kristin: Are people getting sick?
Will: Um, there was a video, this is like just the perfect encapsulation of misinformation on social media.
There was a [00:21:00] video of the triathletes coming across the finish line. I think they were triathletes coming across the finish line. And like one of them, they like look exhausted because they just ran a triathlon, but also a couple of them were like throwing up.
Kristin: Well, it could also be because they just ran a triathlon.
Will: I think it was just because they were, cause I’ve been that I, you know, as athlete who’s played sports, like I have.
Kristin: I’ve been so tired to the
Will: point where I have to throw up. It happens. So that’s what was happening, but people were attributing it to the fact that they swam in a poop infested river.
Kristin: Well, I guess by the time this comes out, we shall know whether anyone got E.
coli related problems.
Will: Yeah, that does remind me, I do have a video I need to record. By the time this airs, people have probably seen it by now. That means I have to do it, because I’ve talked about it. Infectious disease goes to the Olympics.
Kristin: Oh, this is a good topic for that. There’s a lot
Will: to do there.
There’s a lot. Yeah. I could do, I could do the Sen,
Kristin: uh,
Will: E. coli stuff.
Kristin: Olympic Village, maybe?
Will: The Olympic [00:22:00] Village. Spirokeet City.
Kristin: Mmm.
Will: Syphilis, maybe? A little.
Kristin: Syphilis is making a comeback, you know.
Will: So, I don’t know. What else? What other infectious diseases? I’m sure there’s like, Olympic mat related things.
Staff infections. I don’t know. I wonder what
Kristin: the cleaning protocols are.
Will: I’m sure they’re very stringent.
Kristin: And I’m
Will: sure the people that are working there and the, the cleaning, they’re not wearing their clothes home.
Kristin: That’s fine with me. Right? I guess. See? Depends. Although it depends. You shouldn’t,
Will: you shouldn’t wear the scrubs.
If you’re
Kristin: cleaning the wrestling mats or whatever.
Will: Well, you can wear them home. You shouldn’t, shouldn’t wear them other places.
Kristin: Oh, so your family can have it. Thanks.
Will: scrubs home.
Kristin: Jeez.
Will: Every day.
Kristin: Yeah, and you don’t take them off when you get here either. It’s not like you wear them home and then change immediately.
Will: Alright, so you see
Kristin: what a hypocrite I
Will: do. I do. It’s now dawning on me that I am very hypocritical on this issue Because I do every day where my scrubs home
Kristin: and then hug [00:23:00] your children same
Will: scrubs. I’m wearing right now I will wear at work.
Kristin: Yeah,
Will: and I will hug everybody.
Kristin: Yeah, so I’m just okay I think this is an issue that’s mostly in your head
Will: I’m not coming out very good here,
Kristin: but I don’t know maybe maybe our audience Also largely healthcare workers.
Maybe this is a healthcare worker, non healthcare worker divided issue. I don’t know.
Will: It might be. All right. Let’s take one more break.
Hey, Kristen. Yeah. Would you rather have like a thousand demodex mites on your eyelid or just one of these little guys?
Kristin: I will have one of those please.
Will: Because they’re so cute.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: Yeah. It’s a look at them little eyes and they got their feet and they’re just soft. Just crawling all over your body. Are there
Kristin: really a thousand Demodex mites on eyelids?
Will: Oh, I don’t know. Probably not that many. But there are, they can be numerous.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: And they can cause Demodex blepharitis.
Kristin: Yeah, I don’t think I want that.
Will: Yeah, you get like red, itchy, irritated [00:24:00] eyelids, flakiness, crustiness. Yeah, they can cause some itching. Yeah, it’s not, it’s not real fun, but you shouldn’t get grossed out by it.
I can look at your face and tell you you’re a little grossed out by this.
Kristin: I don’t want that. Don’t
Will: get grossed out. Don’t get freaked out. Get checked out.
Kristin: Okay. All
Will: right. To find out more, go to eyelid check.com. Again, that’s E-Y-E-L-I-D check.com to get more information about these little guys. Edema deck blepharitis.
Okay, we are back for more Glock talk. I feel like all of these Glock Talk episodes end up with like,
Kristin: me being right,
Will: me just figuring out like I’m doing something wrong.
Dang.
Kristin: It’s like, it’s like, uh, well, you could bring something that you think I’m doing. You could do a why is it like this, Kristen edition.
Will: Okay. Well, actually, maybe we’ll get somewhere right now. [00:25:00] So. Let’s do a little game called personality disorder.
Kristin: Okay.
Will: All right, where we each choose one thing about the other person that if they had a magic wand and would be able to Change like overnight.
[Music]: Okay.
Will: It’s like
[Music]: just a different
Will: thing change it just like that Okay. Okay. It could be anything. It doesn’t have to be personality, a personality trait. It could be something you don’t like, that you can change it and all of a sudden you like it. It could be something like that,
Kristin: but not biological
Will: like you wish I had straight hair or something. Or my, or I, or I instead, uh, uh, instead of having like luscious full hair all over my head that I, you would prefer it for my hair to age
Kristin: like it’s
Will: not doing right now?
Kristin: Um, good thing you can’t see the back. It’s interesting to me, speaking of [00:26:00] personality disorders, that the first thing you go to there is hair, and you’re vanity.
When you
Will: have
Kristin: had biological, and you have had two rounds of cancer and a cardiac arrest.
Will: Well, those already happened, though.
Kristin: But you still have effects, especially from the cancer. No, no, no, no, no. I would wish for you that you didn’t need hormone replacement. Okay, so
Will: that counts. That’s fair. But we can’t go back in time.
Kristin: I’m not. You still need that. Forever.
Will: True, true. Okay. So that would be fair game.
Kristin: But that’s biological, it’s not really a personality. It affects your personality.
Will: It does. You know what, we’ll, we’ll, I can, we’ll allow anything. Just interpret it how you will. Okay? Okay. I just
Kristin: gotta know what the boundaries are here.
That’s fine. Alright. No boundaries. There’s so many to choose from. We don’t
Will: have any boundaries between us. We are both open books to each other.
Kristin: I don’t know if that’s true. Exactly.
Will: Your book is just like a thousand pages long and mine’s like Some
Kristin: people are complex and some people are Mine’s like
Will: Curious George.
Kristin: You know, yeah, [00:27:00] exactly.
Will: Alright, so should I go first?
Kristin: Okay,
Will: okay, I would change your competitiveness.
Kristin: Oh boy.
Will: I honestly wish you were more competitive
Kristin: That’s of all the things that you could do to make my life better
Will: Wait, wait, wait. To make your life better?
Kristin: Yeah!
Will: Oh, is that what we’re doing?
Kristin: If you change, that’s where my mind went, was like, how can I make life easier for you?
Oh,
Will: okay.
Kristin: Jeez. Oh my goodness.
Will: I thought, I, I, I set up the game as like, what would you like to change to make your life better? No,
Kristin: you didn’t. You just said change one thing. You didn’t say for what purpose, so we each interpreted that to make your life better. And I think that says everything that people need to know about this relationship.
Will: Um,
okay.
Kristin: Are there any marriage and family purposes [00:28:00] out
Will: there? We could do it. I love you, first of all. Clearly. Alright, so, we’ve talked about this before though, uh, you can change your answer by the way, um, I, I’m a very competitive person, would you, would you like, I mean, it’s hard for you, you don’t even know what it feels like to be competitive, you don’t even know like, Yeah, not really.
So like do you even know I’m competitive because it’s like
Kristin: that’s obvious.
Will: Okay, so you’re aware that I do have a competitive anyone
Kristin: who’s met you for okay
Will: So I think it would be fun. That’s all it is
Kristin: Okay,
Will: if you had a competitive side any kind of competition like in you
Kristin: You don’t think it’s fun that you can Win everything because I don’t care.
Will: No, [00:29:00] because it’s, it’s like, it is not fun to play a game, like a board game or you’re right. It’s not fun to play a board game because then, because you’re just like, in your mind, you’re like, what’s the, why am I doing this? What’s the point of playing guess who? I don’t care if I win like that’s who did
Kristin: what anyway?
Why are we guessing it?
Will: It is so not fun to play games with someone like that Because it’s what I
Kristin: can grant you that I’m not I’m not disagree because
Will: also the other thing would be like I Enjoy watching sports, and I feel like if you had a little bit of competitiveness in you you would be more Interested in watching sports with me
Kristin: Um, I don’t know, because I could be competitive about all sorts of things, still not interested in sports.
But you’re not
Will: competitive about anything. I really do think, I think it would, it would generate interest in sporting activities for you.
Kristin: I have participated [00:30:00] in sporting activities, and my very dearest, fondest hobby was a sports activity. Gymnastics.
Will: Did you enjoy competing, though? You enjoyed doing it.
Kristin: I enjoyed doing it.
Will: You never competed.
Kristin: I did compete. Well,
Will: you did compete, but you didn’t
Kristin: I did competitive gymnastics for 10 years. Was
Will: the competition important to you, though?
Kristin: Do you
Will: remember feeling
Kristin: It was only important to me in terms of, like the medals, I don’t even know what I did with them. That’s what I’m talking about.
It was important to me in terms of people’s expectations of me. I felt like I had to live up to expectations.
Will: So you had no internal drive to compete?
Kristin: Not really. I mean it was, it was a fun, I got to go do gymnastics for a day. And it’s kind of like interesting almost from like a data perspective to just see like, okay, where am I in relation to other people, but it was more just like an observation than anything else, just like, okay, that’s interesting because then you [00:31:00] got, you know, you got to figure out like, what are, what are the things that are available to me in life are not available to me.
So, so I took it in that way of like, okay, I’m pretty good at this. See what I can do with that.
Will: Brain is just, Fascinating. It’s just unbelievable.
Kristin: I don’t know what to tell you. I think it is stressful to be as competitive as you. It looks very stressful. You spend most of your time twirling your hair and like muttering under your breath and turning red or pacing or even having to leave the room if it’s a really close thing that you care about.
What about that? Sounds fun.
Will: But then if, if your team wins or you win, the feeling you have of like Is that what it
Kristin: takes for you to be able to feel happiness?
Will: No, I feel happiness about a lot of things, but I feel a lot of happiness when my team wins. Like
Kristin: but why
Will: but I I do [00:32:00] recognize that we are great about your team
Kristin: winning We are
Will: so far ends of the spectrum.
I just it would be so it would be cool if we were a little bit closer Maybe that includes me being a little bit less gonna say
Kristin: that’s two directions
Will: because like when I played competitive ultimate Like my, I was really good defender and I really relished the thought that what would get me like really amped up and pumped up was looking across the field at who I was going to be guarding and I would think to myself, I want to make sure this person does not have any fun today.
Kristin: Well, that’s just rude.
Will: Those are the things you do when you’re a competitive crazy person.
Kristin: You are a crazy person. Like, I feel bad for someone that has to
Will: But it did. Play with
Kristin: someone like you.
Will: But it ended up, I was really good. And it, I think it did help me to have that kind of mindset. Okay, and
Kristin: then where has that gotten you in life exactly, being really good at Ultimate Frisbee and making sure no one else had fun?
Will: Well, that was just my, my opponent. Uh, what did [00:33:00] I have?
Kristin: How do you feel about that? Amazing
Will: memories. I, I, I have, uh, skills that I can pass on to my children. I know what it’s
Kristin: like,
Will: I know what it’s like to, how to succeed with a team of people.
Kristin: So do I,
Will: I know.
Kristin: I have worked collaboratively. I would, I would argue I am more collaborative.
Will: I know what it feels like to put a lot of work into something, realize a goal, and feel
Kristin: success. And you think competition is the only way to do these things?
Will: It’s not the only way. It’s the way that I’ve been. I’ve done
Kristin: all those things in other ways.
Will: You asked, what have I gotten out of this? And those are the things I’ve gotten out of it.
Kristin: But then you had to go and ruin someone else’s day in order to get them, and I just was doing my own thing.
Will: Well, I can’t control whether or not I actually ruined their day. I said I was going to try. But that was your goal. That was my goal, but whether or not I succeeded, I will never know. But then
Kristin: you have that juju inside of you.
[00:34:00] I like to ruin my opponent’s day. It’s no way to live.
Will: All right. What’s yours? Do you have something for me?
Kristin: Oh, something I could change. Well, I have a few other things since we started this conversation.
Will: Fair enough. I just want you to want to win at Scrabble. That’s all. Is that too much to ask?
Kristin: Yes. Y E S.
Will: It’s
Kristin: like, we would finish a game
Will: of Scrabble. You just, and say, let’s say you won on a last second. Like 30 point word you’d be like finally this is over.
Kristin: Yeah, exactly. I could go get something to eat now
Will: Understand that mindset. Okay. Anyway, we’re off of it. Thanks.
Kristin: I don’t think you will ever be off of it I think you will
Will: we will be
Kristin: old
Will: Okay,
Kristin: and shriveled and you will still be on my case about this
Will: I at least have one daughter who has my level of competitiveness, which is fun So
Kristin: and I will [00:35:00] strive to beat that out of her.
I
Will: know you do I know you do and that’s a whole nother topic that we need to bring up with our next psychiatrist That was coming on the show.
Kristin: Um Well besides making you less competitive.
[Music]: Mm hmm
Kristin: I think i would make it maybe this is related but i would change your like perfectionism because it is so high that it distorts your view of reality, you are genuinely convinced that this is the way things are when in fact they are not
Will: okay that’s fair
Kristin: because you are it’s
Will: true,
Kristin: you took the MCAT and you were totally convinced that you had Just thrown away your entire future, your whole career as a doctor, the chance of ever even being one.
Will: I was done.
Kristin: And that [00:36:00] you were now worthless as a person, and the planet
Will: should throw you
Kristin: into the garbage and move along without you.
Will: A little bit of embellishment there.
Kristin: But it’s not that I wouldn’t say so.
Will: I wish I could
Kristin: And you had, and you made a very good score and clearly you became a very good doctor and that is one early example But there have been many many many and they make you it makes you anxious.
It makes you bear to be around And it makes you have you feel like you have to do everything yourself Because no one else can do it as good as you Which is not true, and it makes it hard for you to accept help, especially when you have a team.
Will: Those are all very good points, but also, no, part of, I feel like it has helped me get to a certain place with things.
Kristin: Sure, I mean all of our [00:37:00] pathologies can be used as fuel, but that doesn’t mean they’re good.
Will: Like, I guess the question is, would I have gotten to the pinnacle of Oh, I’m back
Kristin: on the competition. The
Will: pinnacle of medical comedy.
Kristin: Oh, it’s such a high mountain to climb. You
Will: should be so
Kristin: proud of yourself. If I
Will: had not been so maniacally, uh, you know, steered toward perfectionism.
Kristin: I think probably, sure.
Will: Yeah, it’s a low
Kristin: bar to clear. You’re probably right.
Will: Okay, that’s a good one. That’s a good one. All right, so more competitive for you, less perfectionist for me.
Kristin: Yeah, I like this exercise. This
Will: is good. Yeah, this is good. Okay. I think so that we can, uh, we can talk about this, uh, and Probably not have an argument about it later.
I think it’s It’s good.
Kristin: Oh Doesn’t mean anything’s gonna change [00:38:00] No, no, no, this is
Will: not about changing. We cannot, we won’t change at this point. Like this, like what on earth, how could I possibly make you more competitive? I think this is, it’s in your DNA, it’s, it’s in your name. Your parents aren’t competitive at all?
No, I guess not. I don’t, I don’t see that. No one in my
Kristin: family is a big competitor.
Will: You’ve never felt We’re more,
Kristin: we’re more community, collaborative. You’ve never
Will: felt like, I want to be We’re a
Kristin: team, we all pitch in. I want
Will: to do this thing better than that person. You’ve never The only,
Kristin: no, I mean, the only, the main way I feel compet Uh, competitive.
Is it just against myself? Like I try to, that’s do better than before. That’s
Will: so healthy and it, it pisses me off. It, God, race is long, but that is the thing. The race is long and in the end it’s only with yourself. That’s the quote. Right.
Kristin: But that is the, the way that I am able to relate in any way to you on competitiveness is just like, I, I do know what drive feels like.
Will: Right. And it’s
Kristin: kind of similar to like, I’m very high in drive.
Will: [00:39:00] Sure.
Kristin: And I feel like competition and drive are like, uh, are like cousins. So I can kind of get it, but yeah. Anyway, once again, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re just amazing, and
Will: I’m a little gremlin idiot over here with my terrible
Kristin: Well,
Will: wouldn’t it make you feel
Kristin: happy to be married to someone that you think is amazing?
Why are you saying it like that? It’s
Will: true. Thank you for marrying me.
Kristin: Everything’s always all about you! for
Will: marrying me. Thank you for accepting all of this. Uh,
Kristin: you make me out to be like, Oh,
Will: I think for sure you’re coming out better than me in this episode. So I, no, I think I really admire that, that you’re able to, to drive yourself from like from within.
Just because you want to improve yourself, that’s a extremely healthy way of thinking that I think all of us should do better at.
Kristin: I wouldn’t even call it a way of thinking, and I [00:40:00] wouldn’t always call it healthy. Like, I just have a, I just was born with this drive to achieve. I have a pathologically high need to achieve, and that, that creates its own problem.
Will: That could be problematic a little bit. Yeah. Well, let us know what you guys think. Well, I think that’s That just about does it for Glock Talk today. Yeah,
Kristin: now that we’ve told everyone all of our flaws. I think
Will: people can relate to this. I know for a fact people can, especially in healthcare, but lots of other fields as well.
So, uh, we would love to know your thoughts about competitiveness, about anything we’ve talked about today. Uh, if you have other topics that you want us to, um, find about. I have a fight.
Kristin: Marriage advice.
Will: Yeah. It’s just, you want us to unpack that we clearly
Kristin: are doing so well.
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Kristin: Oh, I don’t know. Certainly a township.
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Kristin: think we’ve moved up from village. We
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Kristin: Right.
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Will: Should we say them? As
Kristin: always.
Will: You’ve never said them. Oh,
Kristin: well, you’ve never given me a chance. Do you want
Will: to?
Kristin: Uh, you’ve got a whole thing though that you do.
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Like, L M N O P in the alphabet. Three separate people. That’s one of
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Will: Are you serious?
Kristin: How do you not know this?
Will: I do about the Emmy. Peabody?
Kristin: Right? I’m pretty sure. Okay,
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Kristin: I think you will.
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Hey Kristen, you know I had to spend a lot of time doing yesterday after work?
Kristin: What?
Will: Clinical documentation.
Kristin: Womp
Will: womp. It’s, it’s terrible. Like, I, not only just patient charts, like prior authorization, paperwork, paperwork that you don’t even know that there was paperwork for. I mean, it’s, it’s just, there’s a lot of
Kristin: documenting.
Will: So much documentation. You know, I really could have used.
Kristin: What?
Will: The DAX copilot from Microsoft.
Kristin: That would have helped.
Will: It would have just taken so much more off my plate. I honestly, can I give you some stats? Yes 90 percent of patients say their physician spends less time on a computer when they use DAX.
I
Kristin: believe that
Will: all right furthermore I’ve got more 80 percent of physicians who use DAX copilot say it reduces cognitive burden
Kristin: [00:45:00] Mmm, it’s always good for you to think less. Oh,
Will: yeah, I wouldn’t know Okay I’m preserving my thinking for the more important things and 62 percent of physicians say they are less likely to leave medicine or their organization You
Kristin: That seems important.
It is
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