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Will: [00:00:00] Knock, knock. Hi, knock, knock. Hi. Hello and welcome to Knock-Knock. Hi, we are the Glock Flecking. I am Dr. Glock Plein. I am Lady Glock plein, and we are. Talking to Dr. Danielle Jones today. That’s right. She
Kristin: came in high demand.
Will: I don’t know why. I was like, I was having trouble getting words out there for a second.
Mm-hmm. We are talking,
Kristin: you got a
Will: little, little robotic sometimes. I, I struggle with getting words out. Mm-hmm. Feel like it’s easier for you. I don’t know. Yeah,
Kristin: I, is that like a passive aggressive?
Will: Well, it depends on how you interpret that, but um, I think maybe
Kristin: I’m perhaps more eloquent and loquacious and verbose.
What’s
Will: the, uh, yeah, the, the, the verbal part of your brain. I feel [00:01:00] like it runs faster for you, broken
Kristin: for Nic’s area, you’ll have to be more specific. Hey,
Will: that’s pretty good. I’m impressed that you still remember. Yeah, yeah. You took neuro
Dr. Danielle Jones: neuroscience.
Kristin: I have a degree. An advanced degree, . That’s true, that’s true in social neuroscience.
Yeah. Close enough. Social cognitive neuroscience is the full thing, but so
Will: yeah, you’re, you’re that smarty pants, that’s basically what it comes down to. Mm-hmm. . I, uh, never, for a long time I did not have an ob, an ob gyn character in my skits. That’s true. And I heard about it a
Kristin: lot from people. You did.
People were, were outspoken. So many comments about that glaring omission. What is
Will: this gonna happen? You know, you got everybody else except for that. And by the way, plastic surgery, those are like the two that I didn’t have for a
Kristin: long time. You have, there’s a lot. You don’t have to be fair to you. True.
It’s not just those, I
Will: am only one person playing all these characters, so it, it’s, it is a little challenging, but it, they were [00:02:00] absolutely right. The people that would tell me that’s like, yeah, this is like one of the. You know, bigger specialties in medicine. Like I, there’s gotta be something there. Right.
But, you know, I, I was scared. Yeah. I wasn’t sure how to approach it. I wasn’t sure, you know, you were very intimidated because I, you know, a big part of what I do is trying to, um, portray these specialties in a way. That is funny. That allows us to all laugh at these specialties, but not to undermine like who they are or make fun of patients or, you know, I, I don’t wanna ridicule people’s, like the purpose for them being the type of doctor they are.
Right. We laugh
Kristin: with
Will: people, not Exactly. Exactly. So, and I just, I found it very hard to come up with content because this is an area that I have no real. Significant experience with. It’s true. So, um, that’s when I asked you if you would like to play the charact. [00:03:00] Yeah,
Kristin: I Is that how you remember that?
Will: Oh, no.
Oh, oh. I, well, I did, I I did ask you, but you, you, you suggested it, right?
Kristin: Yeah. I said, if, if, uh, you’re intimidated by it, you know, I could do it if you want, because of the two of us, I have. More experience, and I was like,
Will: yes,
Kristin: please. Yeah, let’s do that. Yeah. Yeah. And we, but even now, it’s, it’s a little tricky for you.
I feel like you’re, you’re little intimidated writing.
Will: Well, the writing is just a little harder because, and that’s really true for any specialty I’m writing a skit for, because I have to do much more research because I’m an ophthalmologist and I just don’t have
Kristin: any great. You did do an OB rotation though in med school?
I did, and I loved it. You did like it? It was really, it was my first, for like a hot second. You thought about doing that and then you went into the next rotation and that thought.
Will: Yeah. That was kind of one of those things. I just, you know, when you have like a really fun group of people, you’re doing a rotation with it just like, oh man, this is really cool.
But then you know, you get further away from it and you get a little different perspective on things. My grandfather was, [00:04:00] that’s right. An
Kristin: obstetrician. That’s right. He delivered me and all of my siblings. And all of my cousins and also he, so he delivered my mother, it’s my dad’s dad, but they lived in a little small town.
So he happened to have delivered. He delivered the whole town pretty much. Yeah. She kind of did. Yeah. But then, you know, when he’s delivering, this is where I always fell off the wagon on this story. He delivered me and my siblings. Mm-hmm. . But that meant that he was my mom’s. Obstetrician right. And I will just leave the implications of all of that weird to everyone’s weird’s imagination.
For me, that would be a little weird. I guess it worked for them just fine. So
Will: it would be the equivalent of my dad. Yeah.
Kristin: Being . Right. That’d be weird. Well, your father-in-law’s delivering your children. Yeah.
Will: No thanks. I don’t think I can. I can see that either. But he’s also an engineer
Kristin: and that would be, we’d be in dire [00:05:00] straits if it were the.
Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. All right. Too unpredictable. I
Will: don’t like where this is going. Let’s, um, let’s, let’s get on to the show. Uh, so again, we have Dr. Danielle Jones, um, and she is known online as Mama Dr. Jones. She’s got a huge social media following. Big on YouTube. She was doing YouTube in the, in the medical space before.
A lot of people, and as a fantastic comment, uh, comment, fantastic content. Uh, and so we had a great time talking with her. So let’s bring in Dr. Jones.
All right, welcome, Danielle Jones. Mama, Dr. Jones. It’s so great to finally get a chance to talk with you. I, I see you all over YouTube and so it’s great to have you.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Well, thank you for having me. I am excited to chat with you guys. I was watching some episodes of your podcast last night, and you’re doing an excellent job.
Oh, thanks. Oh,
Will: thanks, . And we were just, uh, before we started, uh, recording, we were just [00:06:00] chatting and, uh, noting your background, uh, which if you’ve seen, I’m sure you probably, whenever you post your YouTube videos, it’s probably the same background. I’m guessing you.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Out there. This is specifically designed for YouTube, not my living
Will: room.
Yes. Well, I, I wanna tell people who are listening. Uh, there’s this awesome neon baby with headphones in the back. Uh, and, and now our background looks so much more ridiculous. Whenever we see how professional and amazing yours is, because we have, uh, put a fake plant. No, that’s a real plant.
Kristin: Oh, that’s a real thing.
Yeah. I have cat that alive. Oh, credit,
Will: okay. It just kinda looks fake. That’s, that’s the point is, uh, we, we could learn a thing or two from you and and you’re
Dr. Danielle Jones: setup. Well actually we were talking about, you know, you said you should name the plant. I’m looking at it now and there’s two little light reflections above it look like eyes and, oh, the.
Eyebrows at the top. I mean, you’ve really got a good thing going to it. It’s a whole character. Yeah. Lean into
Will: it. I, I, I like, I like how [00:07:00] this is going already, just, uh, bringing everything back to eyeballs. This is, this is how you do well on this podcast. Um, so you’re joining, it’s, it’s early in the morning.
You are in New Zealand.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yes, right. I live, uh, in Altoro New Zealand for the past year and a half, and it’s about seven 30 in the morning here. And I’m just hoping my kids get off to school without barging in here in the middle of this filming .
Will: And, and tell me, cuz you were, you know, how long I guess you’ve been practicing in the States for year whole career until a year and a half.
Is that right?
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah. So I got out of, uh, training in 2017 and I did about three years of private practice in, well, hospital based practice in Texas. And then we, we were intending to take kind of a sabbatical and travel around the world for a year. So in December of 2019, we both quit our jobs effective for.
June, 2020, we sold our house. We gave away everything we own. We bought one way tickets, and then it was March, 2020 and we were [00:08:00] homeless and jobless and had no idea what to do. Oh my gosh. So we were kind of nomadic around the US for about a year and a half. I did locum work and then we finally made our way over here,
That’s Wow.
Will: And, and what, what, what about New Zealand in particular? Well, have
Dr. Danielle Jones: you ever been.
Will: I, I’ve, I’ve not, I would love to go, but honestly, just thinking about the time difference between where we are and where you are, it has started to make our brains hurt a little bit. Yeah. It, and so, uh, it breaks my brain too.
It was really hard to figure out. Uh, so it, it’s, it seems like this whole different world out there, that whole area, that of, of the world we’ve never been to. So, yeah. Yeah. It’s
Dr. Danielle Jones: just, it’s beautiful. We visited once and the pace of life is lovely. The. Work-life balance honestly for obstetrics and gynecology is unlike anything you could find in the US and the people are really nice and it’s just beautiful and so many outdoor things to do.
So we feel lucky that we’ve been welcomed here temporarily and we’re just enjoying our time here.
Will: I’m really interested in, in this work-life balance piece, [00:09:00] so obviously comparing, you know, life as a physician. In, in the States versus where you are now. Uh, so tell us a little bit more about this work life
Dr. Danielle Jones: balance.
So we get actual healthcare that we don’t have to pay for, which is. Unheard of, honestly. Have you ever heard of
such
Will: a thing, the words prior authorization?
Dr. Danielle Jones: I don’t even know what that means anymore. I mean, I feel like it’s back here somewhere. It’s, and I just filed it away. , actually, I wa I showed your, um, video on.
An American gets healthcare somewhere else to one of our friends here, . And she was like, why is this funny? Is that what ?
Will: It’s like, we have to laugh or we’d cry. Exactly.
Dr. Danielle Jones: That’s, that’s the way it goes. Um, genuinely we all have, um, you know, six weeks of, of annual leave and everybody takes their vacation time and it’s not like weird.
That’s just what you do. Uh, people get parental leave, maternity leave the. The, the expectations for what you can do in a day are [00:10:00] reasonable. It’s just, it’s just a very different culture in a, in a work sense.
Will: Did that play into your decision to leave? Uh, just the system we’re working in here versus wanting something different.
Know, knowing that, you know, it’s just a lot more stressful here and looking for something. Yeah.
Dr. Danielle Jones: I mean honest if I’m honest, we came here because we came and visited and we just really loved this country. Mm-hmm. . But as we started getting more serious about it, it definitely was a huge factor that drew us in when I talked to some of the docs here, because obstetrics and gynecology, I mean all specialties, but especially ours, I think with us still oftentimes coming in for our own patients to do their deliveries and things like that, is just a field that’s quite difficult to get any semblance of work-life balance.
Yeah,
Will: I imagine so. It’s uh, and the other question I had about your move out there is how did you survive that with kids? because that’s a long flight. . [00:11:00] Yes, we we’re actually, we’re doing it. We’re going to Australia later this, this year
Dr. Danielle Jones: and Oh, you’ll have to tell me when, when you’re coming and I’ll talk.
Yeah,
Will: that cool. I’m talking New Zealand’s right there. I imagine it’s still like several hours. Yeah,
Kristin: they’re different countries,
Will: right? I know they’re different countries, but like, are they. Are, do I just think they’re close or are they
Dr. Danielle Jones: Actually, it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s the closest thing to us, but, but I would, I guess it’s still a little bit far
Um, and,
Will: and I’m Terri well, I’m terrified of the travel. Yeah. The, the
Kristin: plane right as the,
Will: we have two, eight, and 11. Uh, and so, I mean, they’re, they do pretty well on flights, but this is like a whole different beast here.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah. I don’t know. Yeah, no, they’ll do, they’ll do. Great. So when we, our kids have done quite a bit of international trouble, but when we moved here, we had a two-year-old, a five-year-old.
And two eight-year-olds. Oh, and
Will: I don’t have room to complain then.
Dr. Danielle Jones: No. Okay, well, go ahead. . It’s, I think an international flight is really different. Like you get on and you cozy in and you know, [00:12:00] you’re expecting to be there quite a while. You can watch movies. So our kids really like doing international flights because at home if they’re gonna watch tv, they all have to agree on what they’re gonna watch.
But on the flight they have their own TV and they can watch what they want. So we were pretty like, you know, whatever screen time you wanna do is fine. We try to kind. Get on, watch a movie, eat dinner, and then have them sleep. And then by the time they wake up, usually things are, you know, getting closer to landing and, and it’s fine.
The hard part when we moved here is that they were still with closed waters, so we had to do, ooh, what they called m i q. We basically lived in a hotel room for two weeks Ooh. And got covid tests every three days. So that was definitely worse than
Will: the first. Oh my God. That’s, that’s, that’s rough. At least we don’t have to do that part.
No, exactly.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Although I will say somebody cooked all my meals and did my laundry, so I I didn’t hate it. . Right. Not all bad. That’s,
Will: that. Couldn’t soften the blow a little bit. Yeah. And that, so you’re, you’re gonna be there for how many years? Is it a set timeframe before like your visa’s up or you have [00:13:00] to reapply to stay?
Or how does. .
Dr. Danielle Jones: We initially were coming just for a year. They, um, weren’t giving residency visas when we moved here, but we are eligible for a residency visa. So I have a three year visa. We’ve extended for one more year, which will be two. And then after that, I, I don’t know, the kids love school here. We just really miss family.
Yeah. And also for doing things like this, you know, collaborating in person is, uh, something I really value, but at the same time, I love working here. I. Culture of medicine here, so it will be hard to leave for
Will: sure. Well, we’d love to have you come visit us and give us some tips on how to improve our plant background.
That’s right.
Kristin: be still this, a little
Dr. Danielle Jones: studio here. I can’t speak to the plant because I, I’m just glad I keep patients and children alive better than plants. But I, I can help with the background.
Will: Now you mentioned, uh, uh, maternal leave, which is, uh, obvious. Right in your wheelhouse. That’s, that’s something that you, you know, that you’re, that you’re doing.
And, um, and so [00:14:00] has that, do you find that the patients are, it’s just easier, you know, going through pregnancy, going through this process, knowing that they have that support when they need it. The, um, you know, they, they have the time to be able to, you know, be there with their family and.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah, I mean, honestly I think people here still even feel that they could be supported more than they are.
So I, I’ll hesitate a little bit to say they feel more supported because it’s hard to compare like between two countries where the cultures and expectations are a bit different. But I certainly, when comparing to what we have in the US, think that the better maternal and neonatal outcomes, Absolutely related to the fact that they have healthcare that is a given and they have social support, so, and social safety nets and leave and things like that.
I, when I got here, you know, back home, it would be weekly where I would have a patient come in who had no prenatal care and came in to have a delivery. I’ve seen maybe two [00:15:00] patients in the year and a half that year and two months that I’ve been here that have not had any prenatal care at all because it just doesn’t happen.
Will: And some of the things that you do. You know, I, we, we asked you to, to, to bring some stories for us, uh, some, some, you know, from your career, from your own personal life and, uh, this, I want you to tell us about this. First of all, this is a thing that I really didn’t even, I didn’t know anything about this fetal transfusion procedure, , uh,
As I read, I hear, I read this, this story from you, and so I want you to tell it. But, uh, first I want you to like tell us about that procedure. You know, just what it is because that’s, it’s fascinating.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah, it is. It’s really fascinating. Luckily with the advent of RhoGAM, so for people who are RH negative, like an a negative blood type, you can get a RhoGAM shot in your pregnancy, which decreases the chances of having immunization get making antibodies that would destroy the fetal blood cells, and that has [00:16:00] reduced the need for fetal transfusion really significantly.
But every once in a while someone comes along and for whatever reason, They have antibodies in their blood that cause the baby to get anemia while it’s still inside, and after that’s been diagnosed, then you can go on to have a procedure called a fetal blood cell transfusion. And this, I, I don’t do this now, to be fair, I, this was in my training and this is done typically by, uh, fetal medicine specialists.
But you basically use a needle that’s quite long but very thin under ultrasound guidance, and you have. Introduce it through the abdomen, through the uterus, into the amniotic sac and get it into the umbilical uh, cord. Oh my God. So very skilled. Obviously I was not doing that part. And also your target is moving, so.
That’s, I, I’m very impressed every time I, I see somebody do this procedure. Uh, but yeah, so imagine me, I’m just a, like, very new resident and my job is [00:17:00] just to inject the very expensive, highly irradiated, so it’s, you know, the cleanest blood that can be possible in this very concentrated tube that’s going into a tiny needle and into an umbilical cord.
So very high pressure while you’re pushing it in. That’s my only job. Okay. I’m in this room. Everybody said like she’s the, she’s the dumb one. She doesn’t know anything yet. Just let her push the blood in. Nobody can like, it’s like a syringe. You’re pushing on a syringe. It’s like a 60 ml syringe with very thick.
Blood cells going through a tiny tube. So I’m like, yeah, I can do that. I, I can’t do much, but I can definitely push blood through a syringe. I love where this is going already. Okay. I’m already, you know, this poor mother is laying there terrified because this is not only a. High intensity situation. It does not enjoyable to have a needle through your pregnant abdomen.
Doesn’t sound like it. Ah, yeah. But you’re also worried about your, your baby, you know? Yeah, sure. And I’m just here and injecting this blood and whoever handed me the syringe, uh, I will say that I didn’t do it, but, [00:18:00] uh, that’s should be true or not. I don’t know if only the people who were there will know that.
And the lo lock wasn’t all the way screwed on. So as I’m pushing it into this high pressure, it just comes off and detaches all over me. I mean, Oh no. A like a scene from a murder show. Oh no. And I’m like, oh my God. You’re, what do I in blood? Do I? Yeah. Which is fine. I, but then I have, am I, do I reconnect it?
What
do
Will: I do? Were you like in, is this like in the, or is this like just all geared
Dr. Danielle Jones: up and patient room, but but geared up in, in garb? Yeah. Yeah. It’s definitely. I, I just reconnected it and kind of like nicely handed it off and I was like, I’m gonna go take a shower. . And this poor mother, her eyes are huge and she’s, you know, nobody who’s non-medical sees blood like that very often.
Yeah. And you know, I certainly don’t, she’s trying to not look at me .
Kristin: Oh my gosh. Yeah. You don’t need her fainting in
Dr. Danielle Jones: the middle of all of that. I know. Wow. I, I felt so,
Will: Like, what do you, [00:19:00] what do you say? I mean, just that, that such a funny mental image of, of this, you know, highly trained professional and, and you know, just from the patient’s perspective, I’m sure it probably relieved the tension
Dr. Danielle Jones: for her.
But I wish that I knew who she was so I could hear how she tells this story because I don’t know if it was better or worse from her standpoint, but I was, IM mortified. .
Will: Did someone come in? You had one job? Yeah. What ended up happen? Did everything go okay? Did they, they do the,
Dr. Danielle Jones: yeah. Yeah. In the grand scheme of how much blood it was, it was not a lot, but on your face and body it looks like a ton.
Uh, so I’m pretty sure it was probably like the medical student took over my job cuz I couldn’t do it well enough or . Oh my goodness.
Will: Where, where’d you do your, Um,
Dr. Danielle Jones: I did all of my medical school and residency in Texas in various places. So this was in Temple, Texas, just outside of
Will: Austin. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, we both grew up in Texas, so I was in the Houston area where, yeah, I was in a, a Deer, deer Park, Texas. Shout out [00:20:00] Deer Park deer. That was our, that was our, uh, our very creative mascot was the deer from
Dr. Danielle Jones: Deer Park. I couldn’t think of anything else that it would’ve been, honestly. Yeah. What else could it be?
You just
Kristin: have to lean into that .
Will: And then, and then Kristen was in a small town called Dublin, Texas.
Kristin: Yeah. Kind of had in between very tiny Dallas and Waco, but
Dr. Danielle Jones: way
Will: off. I, so we know, we know Texas quite well. And, um, yeah. And so, uh, uh, you know, it’s funny, you’re, you’re. Story, you know, with the luk and, and having is how you saylor loock, lulac.
So he doesn’t, he doesn’t, there’s words I don’t use much anymore . But uh, actually stuff like that can happen in, in, during cataract surgery as well. Cuz I, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve known people, I’ve seen videos of, uh, you know, the, the cap not being. On tight on some kind of syringe, and then you push hard enough and it just blows the tip off.
Actually, that’s what’s happened, and that’s a bad thing to happen whenever you have something inside an eyeball because, uh, that’s somewhat delicate. Oh, you don’t, you don’t do eyes. [00:21:00] I,
Dr. Danielle Jones: she’s more squeamish than me. Listen, I know some people think what I do is not enjoyable, but. Eyeballs. I can, I don’t, I don’t even know if I actually did the eyeball part of anatomy, because I cannot, ,
Will: I keep saying, I keep telling people.
One of the, the biggest, uh, questions to ask yourself if you’re thinking about going to ophthalmology is, um, do you think eyeballs are gross? Yes, because that that will, yes, that will weed out a lot of people because people have like an eye phobia kind of thing. And so it’s interesting’s interesting,
Dr. Danielle Jones: right.
I What do you think leads to that? Is it because this is a very sensitive part of our body and
Will: it’s just I think so. I think that’s it. Like, uh, you know,
Kristin: yeah. It’s some protective reflex just makes everybody, yeah, we want to go
Dr. Danielle Jones: anywhere near eyeballs. There’s no problem. I’m fine surgery, no problem. But.
Will: Eyeballs. That’s, that’s, that’s her, that’s teeth for him. Yeah. I teeth can’t anything with like going to the dentist. I hate it. She, she literally dentist, [00:22:00] she will fall asleep in the chair. Uh,
Kristin: It’s like a little vacation. They have ice chairs and they have like heat and massage and so like, I’m there, I’m laying down.
I got sunglass, like it’s dark cuz of the sunglasses. It’s, there’s music on heat and it’s a day at the spa.
Will: Meanwhile, I’m holding on like for grim death. I’m just like, just
Kristin: at the little cleaning.
Dr. Danielle Jones: I can’t like, quite literally requires Xanax to go to the dentist. Oh no. Well listen, my, my husband is like your wife and.
This is a different species. I, I genuinely think there’s something that went wrong in my development. There must be a reason we have an aversion to these people. They’re, they’re out to get you for sure. Probably.
Will: I, I totally agree. . And you know what I talking about body fluids? I ,
Kristin: there’s a segue for seven 30 in the morning to the winter.
Will: I mean, like sputum, like I could never do anesthesia. Like that’s, that’s uh, like the [00:23:00] intubating, that’s just even a gross word, suctioning, you know, that’s, that’s kind of gross. Um, but I, when I did my. The most blood I ever saw in my life was during an e c-section. Yeah. And that, that was, it was, I remember so much about, and that was now like, you know, 10 years ago that I did that rotation.
And, um, it, it was incredible. Uh, uh, it, I don’t even remember what it was for. Everything went great, but I was just like, I could not. I couldn’t see, I don’t know how you see anything you’re doing whenever you’re trying to, like, it looks like they’re just, they’re just cutting and just going by. Feel the whole time
I, I don’t know. I mean, do you, you, do you do a lot of like emergency C-sections? Is that Maybe not a lot, but.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah, I mean, so here, midwives do all of the J like regular prenatal care and deliveries. So actually most of the time when I’m doing a C-section or anything, it’s going to be where I got called in emergently something went wrong.
Yeah. Yeah. And which I love about the system here, I, I really like, Having the midwives doing [00:24:00] all the routine prenatal care, I think that that is a superior system by magnitudes to what we have at home. You know, I, I often get frustrated at people on the internet when they say, oh, obs are just surgeons and they pathologize birth and pregnancy and all this stuff.
But it’s actually, you know, there’s some truth to that. And I really, really like the model of care that is afforded to patients here. All have a midwife, even if they have a high risk pregnancy. Mm-hmm. , they still have a midwife who comes suture their delivery and it’s just a very good system. It’s hard on the midwives, but it’s good.
But yeah, I mean, C-sections have so much blood. I, I think it’s really, really interesting that your body increases how much blood volume you have in anticipation for a delivery that we can walk into a surgery and have a blood loss. Three quarters of a liter and go, yeah, that was just a normal successful surgery.
Everything went fine. That is, it’s crazy. Truly amazing to me. Um, it really is. Yeah. Only second to how cool I still think it is, despite probably delivering thousands of babies at this point that we’re standing in a room and all of a sudden there’s another [00:25:00] human. I, I will never get over that being utterly bizarre to.
Yeah.
Kristin: That is so cool. And you’ve seen it from both sides, like as the, the physician and then also as a mom, you know, and it’s, I would, I would think with your physician hat on, you know, it’s a little bit more routine and then, but then when it’s your own kids, yeah. I remember this from when we were having kids and it felt like this is this huge, bizarre, life changing event.
Right. But then at the same time, women have been doing this for all of human history and other animals do it as well. And it could not be more commonplace. And you know, it’s just this weird juxtaposition,
Dr. Danielle Jones: you know, when you’re It is, it is. Yeah. I, it, it’s very fascinating because these are the biggest moments of people’s lives.
Yeah. And you do it with, These people every day. Right. So it is a very different experience than being on the other side from both just a standpoint of being on the other side, but also the emotional kind of side of it. But I do a lot of [00:26:00] reacting on YouTube to a show called I Didn’t Know I Was Pregnant.
And every time like the baby’s born, it’s like heartwarming, you know? Sometimes I’m teary cuz they’ve had a horrible experience, you know? And sometimes people will say, oh, do you cry at deliveries? Exactly what you said will like No, it’s so different when you have your doctor hat on. Yeah, of course not.
Right? Like I’ve never cried in a delivery, barring really horrible, sad scenarios. Yeah, because you’re. You’re the one responsible for making sure everybody gets to be happy at the end of this. Yeah. It’s game time. You don’t get to get in your feels. Right then. Right now,
Will: you, you actually, you have some interesting experiences, right?
From your own ,
Dr. Danielle Jones: your own deliveries. I, I do. I think everybody has interesting birth stories. I love listening to birth stories. Yeah. Let’s,
Will: let’s hear, let’s hear a couple of years . Yeah,
Dr. Danielle Jones: so I mean, I, I have my, one of my birth stories on YouTube. Essentially my babies have come by C-section, and this can be blamed on my oldest, who is a twin and refuse to put her head down [00:27:00] so she will never get to live down the fact that it’s her fault,
Kristin: But she’s independent. She does what
Dr. Danielle Jones: she wants. That’s actually quite true. She goes with me to the hospital and call. Now she’s 10. She’ll just sit there all day long, read a book draw. But yeah, she made her decision early in life to be independent. Yeah, and it wasn’t the best one for me. You know, ,
Kristin: that’s
Dr. Danielle Jones: Parenthood
But with my, with my second delivery, I was a third year resident and there’s some hierarchy in medicine, for better or worse, mostly worse. But I was being cared for mainly by people who were my co-residents or junior doctors underneath me. And I was trying to feedback and it was really, really important to me.
I wanted like as little intervention as possible. Cause I wanted to have a normal delivery and. Had a one of them come in, my attending, who was taking care of me, came in and broke my water, and then one of the residents who was a year below me came in and she said, I just wanna check you, see if everything’s fine.
And I said, [00:28:00] Jackie, it’s fine. Like you don’t need to check me. It’s good. I’m good. That’s too many checks just leave me alone. And she like kind of sheepishly went out and she’s an excellent resident. Like, I don’t know what’s going on in my head. Like, you can’t do your own healthcare. Come on. But, so whatever reason, I decided this is the time where I’m gonna don’t, whenever we’re, you know, so then she comes back, you know, with the attending and they’re like, we have to check you.
And I’m, what’s going on? You know, and they’re like, well, baby’s having dips anyway. It never crosses my stupid. Doctor mind that I might be having some kind of emergency situation. And we went from that to, I’m having a full on abruption, baby’s heart rate is in the sixties. They’re flipping me over with my naked butt in the air and sailing down the hallway in front of every person.
I work with 80 hours a week with my naked butt in the air, and I’m panicking like, what’s happening because I, I can’t even come to an idea of what might be the case despite, you know, extensive education on this topic, . I, I just remember looking over the curtain [00:29:00] as they got him out and my best friend from residency had tears rolling down her eyes.
My attending, who’s also a good friend, is like borderline tears, and they got him out all as well. That ends well. But yeah, my gosh, it was eight minutes from them taking me from the room after I had begrudgingly allowed the lower level resident to check me. Eight minutes until he was born.
Will: You know, some, oh my gosh.
Some, some physicians would choose not to have medical procedures and things happen at, at their places of work. For these reasons. I think for this, for this reason, to avoid a certain, a button in the air exposed type of situation,
Kristin: just a Tuesday.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Not very conducive to finding another hospital. Imagine.
Kristin: That’s right. And plus, I think you were one choice, you were
Will: a resident or at that time, or was. No, I was a resident. Yeah, you’re a resident, so Yeah, it’s probably hard. You probably had to work the next day, so. Yeah.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah. I actually came to my postpartum room the next morning. They were like, all right guys, we need you on the deck.
Will someone else take care of the baby? [00:30:00] Oh my goodness. Oh, wow. Not really. I, I got
Kristin: five weeks off. Well, I think it says something about American healthcare that we totally believed that.
Dr. Danielle Jones: My God, you never know. Dunno. No, no. I mean, five weeks felt like that, but no, it wasn’t the next morning. . Yeah. There was a story a while back though, about an OB who was delivering at her own hospital and was in labor and there was no other attendings in the hospital and someone came in with an emergency and she went and delivered the baby while she was in labor.
Oh my gosh.
Kristin: Wow. Ugh. . I mean, good for her to have that presence of mind, but can’t. Not make people have to do that. ,
Will: I don’t know. I, you know, it’s, it’s just that, it’s that the, the, I think the culture we’re grown up with in, in medicine where, you know, even if you’re sick, you gotta work. Even if you do. I mean, I had mm-hmm.
when I was diagnosed with, with testicular cancer, um, , I, I left, I, I thought I had something, some [00:31:00] kind of weird mass on my testicle. So I left clinic, like at lunchtime to go. An ultrasound to find out if I had cancer with the plan to go back to work in the afternoon, and
Kristin: I even said to you, Go, let’s go home and like process this.
Why? Why are you saying you’re going back to work? What do you mean? No,
Will: you’re not happy. Work. I have one of my, one of the fellows like actually take my pager from me. Yeah. They’re like, you’re not allowed to work. It’s just so, it’s just, I don’t know. It’s that mindset that I feel like hopefully is changing.
Uh, you know. But, uh, it’s slowly as we realize it’s, it’s
Dr. Danielle Jones: dangerous, right? I, I mean that can’t, you wouldn’t tell your patients to do that. No. You guys are the
Kristin: worst patients. We’re, we’re pretty, yeah. I mean, your story just now, same thing, like worst patients. I don’t know what goes through your minds, but also the system, I think.
Creates that result. Right? Like it makes you the
Dr. Danielle Jones: worst patients. . Yeah. I won’t go on a tangent about [00:32:00] how residents should unionize and they are the underpaid slave labor of hospitals at this point. Yes. With how they are worked and undervalued and underpaid and not given sick leave and breaks and working insane hours that are completely inhumane.
Right. I mean, the US medical system relies on that and they will probably forever block large scale unions because of that. I just, I mm-hmm. , it’s, it shouldn’t be that hospitals would cease to function if the residents went on strike. That’s really an unacceptable model of care. Right, right.
Will: Yeah. I don’t, I don’t imagine there are any trainees that are threatening to strike in New Zealand.
Is that, that’s probably another,
Dr. Danielle Jones: uh, you know, they do go on strike occasionally, but the thing is we can still function at a critical level and they strike and get. Changes made that give them a humane model of life. And don’t get me wrong, our junior doctors work incredibly hard and they are incredibly well trained.
Um, but they have a union and they stand up for themselves and they get [00:33:00] paid a working wage and they get overtime if they work more than they’re rostered for and they can work locums. And it’s just a much better model for them. Yeah.
Will: Well, let’s, let’s take a quick break and then we’ll come back with Dr.
Danielle.
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All right, we are back with, uh, Dr. Danielle Jones. Uh, so. Yeah, we haven’t really talked a lot about your social media presence. Uh, and so first of all, congratulations on, on all your success. Uh, you know, I’ve, even, when I first started, you know, doing my thing on, on Twitter and really getting a sense of who’s out there doing social media in the, in the, in the medical space.
You’re like, you know, one of the, one of the big ones. And so you’ve got an awesome YouTube presence. And, uh, so yeah, congratulations on all on all that. That’s great. Well, and
Kristin: a pressing question, what, what does she think of your ob [00:35:00] gyn character? Well, I don’t, I, because Yeah, because it’s you every, I don’t
Dr. Danielle Jones: know.
Well, besides that, no. I’ve never seen such an excellent. Actor and portrayal. I, I don’t know who you get to play the OBGYN in your skits, but you should pay her more and if you, she should unionize. If not, that’s right. So here’s
Kristin: the thing. No, but no, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay. Alright, because as I don’t know if you’ve been noticing his face as we talk to you, and then certainly, as you know, from behind the scenes of his,
Dr. Danielle Jones: I can’t see it on my screen over here, so, oh,
Kristin: Well, it looks very uncomfortable. Oh, occasionally , and he is, I think he might deny this, but I think he’s a little afraid of, of going into the ob gyn world. Like he does not feel comfortable there. And. I don’t, he had to have me come on to play that character for that very reason. Like between the two of us, I have way more
Will: experience.
It was, it was a glaring, weak spot [00:36:00] in my, in my, in my repertoire of, of medical specialties for a long time. I can’t tell you how much feedback I got. Where’s the, where’s obstetrics? Where’s gynecology? And I’m like, man, that. I’m scared he does not. I don’t know I, I how to do it. I have very little experience in that area and so it was very hard.
Dr. Danielle Jones: He’s gonna be suffering from the classic American medical student problem of my obie rotation was a bunch of stressed out mean people. . Um, and we’re not mean for the record, it’s just as I was. We’re overworked and taken advantage of as residents and it’s high stake situations you, and it’s high intensity, high stake situation, but, but she did a great job with it.
Kristin: But yeah, you’ll notice there’ve been what, two skits with me and he’s still a little bit squeamish about it. So if you have any tips for him,
Dr. Danielle Jones: just I’m happy to provide consulting, but it, it will come outta price. As it should. Sure, sure
Will: will. Please, everybody listening, give me your ideas for, for [00:37:00] related
Kristin: gynecology.
It makes him squirm. It’s one of the few things about his per his little side hobby here that makes
Will: him squirm. I’m, I’ve got things I’m more comfortable with and things I’m left less comfortable with. I could talk about scribes and ophthalmology all day. . Yeah, to
Dr. Danielle Jones: be fair, you know, you walk a beautifully perfect line.
Content creation that I don’t think many people in medicine and particularly physicians can walk where you create very funny content that is never offensive, particularly to the patients who may be watching, which I think is honestly something that very few people have done well. So, You. I appreciate that.
Good job, and I really appreciate what you do. But it is a, a more sensitive area where you do have to walk a little bit of a more sensitive wine and you know, I’ve experienced that as well. It, it can be scary to talk about things in this field because just like we were talking about earlier, this is such a, um, important time of life for a lot of people, particularly in regards to pregnancy and yeah, it’s, [00:38:00] it’s hard.
Yeah. And then add into that the, you know, lack of. Focus that a lot of American medical training has on women in afab people’s health. Uh, it’s mm-hmm. .
Will: Well, one thing that I, I, I know that you do in, uh, some of your content is react to, uh, medical TV shows and movies and things that happen re, you know, related to pregnancy, which I think is great.
Like, those are always really fun to watch. Um, so what I thought we could do for just a few minutes is do this game, uh, called Real or Fake. So, um, I’m going to, uh, tell you about a patient scenario. Okay. Something that happens and I need you to tell me, okay. Is this something that came from an actual TV show or is this something that I just made up last night?
Okay. Okay. So
Kristin: it’s really like fake or even more fake. Fake
Will: or, or more fake. That’s right. . Okay. All right,
Dr. Danielle Jones: great. I can’t wait. Okay. I’m gonna get a hundred percent. [00:39:00]
Kristin: There’s minute inner med student . That’s right. You can’t just do it. Just gotta get a
Will: hundred. Here’s the first one. Okay. The patient presents with hallucination.
And rectal bleeding routine labs reveal she’s pregnant. During an ultrasound, the fetus is found to be attached to the large intestine During surgery to remove the ectopic pregnancy, the patient starts losing too much blood, so the surgical assistant squeezes platelets out of the spleen, which saves the patient’s life.
Did I make that up or is that happening up? No, that’s. That’s fake. That is, that actually happened on an episode of House MD . Yes.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Okay. But did it happen in real life? No. Surely not. No. No,
Will: but I didn’t make it up. .
Dr. Danielle Jones: Okay. All right. House is Okay. Good. Have you reacted some House md? I think one or two. I think one of ’em was like a Parthenogenesis episode.
Do you know what that is? No. It’s. Like asexual reproduction. I think actually probably someone’s gonna in the comments [00:40:00] like, how can you not know what this tell us is like, you’re explaining it wrong, but Yeah. It’s, you’re explaining doesn’t happen.
Will: This thing that happened on House md. Wrong. Yeah. It’s, uh, I, I find that, um, the.
The more outrageous, uh, medical situations happen on house. I think that’s what made it such a good show. Uh, I, I actually, I love, I Love House. Can
Dr. Danielle Jones: I let you in on a little secret? Fantastic. Yes. I haven’t said this publicly anywhere. Ooh. I am working on new project where we take really wild case reports and write fictional narratives around them.
And we will be launching the podcast in a few months, and I’m really excited about it. It’ll be, oh, that’s similar to like true crime genre type storytelling, but with real medical stories and fictional characters. That is
Kristin: really, really cool. That’s
Will: a good idea. Yeah.
Dr. Danielle Jones: That is awesome. Now, before this goes live, I’m gonna have to set up the YouTube page so people can go find it.
That’s right. That’s right.
Will: That’s right. That’s, that’s great. That’s such a good idea. All right. Let’s do it. Okay, a woman goes into labor, but unfortunately the baby is [00:41:00] in face presentation, so an emergent C-section has to be done. But just then an apocalyptic storm cuts off all power in the hospital, so now the C-section has to be done, the dark, and of course it’s done successfully.
Grey’s Anatomy, that is Grey’s Anatomy. Whoa. . Very good. Nicely done.
Dr. Danielle Jones: I was raised on that show. I couldn’t remember if face presentation was the, the cause. But ,
Will: how often do you see Face presentation, is that what you call it?
Dr. Danielle Jones: Yeah. Um, it’s a, it’s a rare presentation, but we see it occasionally and they can’t deliver.
So, you know, usually with their head first. Right. Uhhuh like you would put on a sweatshirt, kind of look down and put it over your head. Right. If you look up instead and your head goes through the hole of the shirt, that’s face presentation. Oh. But the chin on the Yeah. Uh, seems problematic. That’s probably lots of problems.
Yeah. You can Google it. It’s no thanks. The cutest way babies are born and they can, they can’t come, they can still come out, uh, vaginally, [00:42:00] but it depends on which way the chin is facing. Yeah. And still it has a high rate of needing C-section, but it, their faces get super swollen. It’s so sad.
Will: Okay, here’s another one.
The patient is 41 weeks pregnant. As the baby begins to emerge from the vaginal canal, the obste, the obstetrician realizes the baby is breach at that moment and proceeds due to emergency section. The baby is then born with no umbilical cord .
Dr. Danielle Jones: Um, nope. No, that one can’t. Surely nobody brought that as a story
Will: that happened on Friends when Rachel gave birth on Friends
Wow. What happened to the Korney ? It was an figured about it from the production team, I’m
Dr. Danielle Jones: sure. Wow. Not only does their obstetrician need more training in determining position, but that, that was the
Will: reaction I had not been missed. . That, that’s when you figure out breach position is, is when the biggest, during deliveries already halfway
Dr. Danielle Jones: out.
Okay. I have [00:43:00] seen it once or twice, but yeah, not, not on my, not on my own accord. Um, again, all right. Only, only the people who were there can know if that was true or not, but .
Will: Okay. All right. Um, here’s the next one. The patient was unaware that they were pregnant until severe belly pain occurred, followed by a traumatic birth in which the baby with numerous deformities burst through the abdominal wall and began attacking others in the near vicinity.
Alien. That is Alien. That is, yes. . Yes. You got, oh, I thought I’d trick you at that one. That is, that is Alien.
Dr. Danielle Jones: I actually haven’t seen that movie. I just know the like horrific, like picture people tag me in it. That’s
Will: would be that a traumatic birth right
Dr. Danielle Jones: there. Certainly that I think I would fall under the category of traumatic.
Will: Yes. Mm-hmm. . Um, okay. All right. Next one, the patient gives birth to a perfectly clean six month old baby whose eyes are [00:44:00] wide open.
Dr. Danielle Jones: every medical TV show ever. You
Will: got it. Every medical TV show exa. That’s exactly what I wrote down. Every medical TV show you’re doing great. Okay, let’s see. I think I have like, Notice I’m not like, may come up with any of these.
I know. I was gonna
Kristin: say .
Will: Okay. Um, 37 week pregnant woman boards a plane. She promptly goes into labor at 30,000 feet. Fortunately, an ophthalmologist is on the plane, but has to perform an emergency section using silverware found on the plane. Unbeknownst to the passengers, a zombie apocalypse has also broken out on earth.
And a passenger in first class is infected. The doctor must perform surgery before the growing infectious hoard descends upon them.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Oh boy. The next skit you have planned. Maybe I
Will: made that up. Yes, that is is good. That is me. . I, [00:45:00] I made all of that up. That’s really good. Correct.
Dr. Danielle Jones: It doesn’t, it didn’t hurt that the ophthalmologist was the savior and the story, and it might let’s
Will: away.
I kinda tipped my hand there. Okay. And then this is the last one that I, that I, that I found in my research. . I’ll go ahead and tell you. This is, I did not make this one up, but I want you to see if you can guess what. The patient’s water breaks with no proceeding symptoms whatsoever. She is shown later in the hospital in no apparent distress, asking when she will be in labor.
The doctor then does an exam, finds out she’s 10 centimeters dilated, and it’s time to push. Hmm.
Kristin: That’s the birth Every mother
Dr. Danielle Jones: Dreams of . Yeah, it’s the perfect, don’t tell your friends about that, but man. That’s right. I feel like it had to be some You’re not sycom or something. Yeah.
Will: Well close the West Wing.
That was a birth on the West Wing. I dunno if you ever watched that show. I haven’t. I know. No. Um, you know, I almost, you know, I almost included what, uh, lemme see if Kristen can get this one. [00:46:00] Okay. All right. This is a, a time traveling nurse. Okay. Mm-hmm. , um, gave birth mm-hmm. , uh, in which, uh, the baby was removed from her without her knowledge because she was knocked unconscious with some kind of anesthetic gas.
Okay. Um, and then she was seen riding a horse like a week later. Outlander. Yes. That was
Dr. Danielle Jones: Outlander . I wouldn’t have gotten that one. . That’s too easy. I
Kristin: know.
Will: It’s like your favorite show. Oh,
Dr. Danielle Jones: that’s okay. Let’s do it. All right. Post-apocalyptic quar. It’s gonna be too easy because of this, but post-apocalyptic world, and for some reason, the decision has made to get pregnant despite the fact that any noise will get you murdered.
Oh yeah. By an evil monster . And you must deliver the baby absolutely silent in a bathtub while fireworks go off to distract monsters. ,
Kristin: I feel like that’s a good, is this, uh, um, are they Scientologists? [00:47:00]
Will: Oh, in real life or in the show? In the movie? The movie show. In the
Kristin: plot. Here. It’s the quiet. I don’t think so.
No, I know. But don’t Scientologists also have to give birth silently. Like there was that whole Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes saying, that’s that thing. Oh my God. Where that sounds really hard. Said because she was apparently forced, quote unquote, to give birth without making any
Will: noise. If we have any Scientologists listening, can you let us.
If we’re correct or if someone has
Kristin: like a People magazine from ,
Dr. Danielle Jones: that would be, that’s an interesting YouTube video. So I, that’s my, let’s
Will: look for it. Silent births. There you go. . Um, well that was a nice job. You, you nailed some of those that I, I thought I get,
Kristin: I she
Dr. Danielle Jones: really knew. I’m chronically online. You know this what I’ve built my YouTube channel by feeding the algorithm these things,
Will: Well, um, tell us before, uh, we’re gonna get, uh, to a couple of listener stories here in a second, but tell us where, uh, we can find you on social media. And what you got in the [00:48:00] works.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Sure. I’m Mom and Dr. Jones on all platforms, and as I mentioned earlier, I’m working on new podcasts that I’m very excited about, which will be very different from the content I’m doing now.
And I hope that it turns out as great as I think it will. So if you are looking for that, you can probably find it under the description of my videos by the time that this goes up. Do you have
Will: a, a name for the podcast yet?
Dr. Danielle Jones: We haven’t even named yet. You’re working on it? Yeah. It, it’ll probably not launch until like May or June, but Okay.
Will: Yeah. Gotcha. Well, that’s exciting. Uh, you definitely gotta look out for that. Yeah. Check out. That’s awesome. All right, well let’s, uh, let’s come right back and we’ll listen to a couple of, uh, or listen listener stories. Say a couple of listener stories.
All right. Let’s take a look at some of our favorite medical stories that were sent in by all of you, the listeners. And we have, uh, uh, Dr. Danielle Jones, mama, Dr. Jones, here to listen to these as well. All right, so our first is the anonymous story. Uh, when I was about 27, 28 weeks [00:49:00] pregnant, I dropped a heavy weight on my foot at the.
Instant pain and swelling. I was pretty sure it was fractured, so I headed to the hospital, small town with no urgent care office for an x-ray. I waddle and limp in the door with an obvious belly cue. The entire ER team losing their minds. , the receptionist, tried multiple times to send me to l and d without listening.
About why I was there until I hoisted my mangled foot up onto the counter. Then the triage nurse kept asking about contractions, and finally x-ray tech looked afraid to even come into the mach, into the room with the machine. Finally, the doctor comes in and confirms, I have deep contusions but no fractures, and we ended up chatting about other things.
Luckily, I was able to laugh about the whole. The ER staff are fearless unless you are pregnant.
Kristin: something about it. Same with you. We were just saying like something about your field really scares everyone else
Will: off. Is that a thing, do you think? Like
Dr. Danielle Jones: Absolutely. Yeah, a hundred percent. Like the number of [00:50:00] times, and I, I don’t blame them because usually we have a policy in the hospital over 20 weeks pregnant goes to labor and delivery.
But the number of times the front desk people or even the like ed nurses or doctors have sent someone to labor and delivery because they. Like a broken leg. Mm-hmm. something outrageously outside of my ability to care for, I can’t even count. It’s, yeah. Or it’s better to err on the side of
Kristin: caution, I guess, in that
Dr. Danielle Jones: scenarios.
Yes. And, you know, calling, I think just calling questions about, like, things like, oh, can I give them, you know, Tylenol or can they have, you know, an injection of morphine for their, uh, kidney stone and things like that. You know, it’s fine. I’d rather them call and ask than give something that shouldn’t be given.
But for the most part, yes, I do feel like sometimes people are afraid of a little terrifying pregnant patients. .
Will: Yeah. All right. Our next story is also from, uh, anonymous. Uh, this is one of the funniest moments I’ve had with a patient so far. I’m a new dietician, but this happened when I was a dietetic [00:51:00] intern on rotations.
I was speaking to a patient who had a cabbage. Um, so like cardiac bypass surgery. Oh, okay. In the room it was me, the patient, the patient’s wife, and the nurse. I was asking about her diet history and did a typical day food recall. She mentioned eating some snacks throughout the day, so I asked, what kind of snacks do you have?
She was pretty outgoing and interactive throughout her conversation, but she suddenly kind of shut down and got quiet. I thought maybe she just wasn’t comfortable with sharing more of her diet history. And I was about to move on to another question. When she goes. What kind of sex do I have? No . I was so taken aback.
But clarified they
Dr. Danielle Jones: can’t. That’s so funny. Oh my God, that’s so funny.
Will: isn’t that good. Uh, clarified what I had asked and everyone in the room just burst out laughing. The nurse was laughing so hard. She even had to leave the room. It was definitely one of the room was memorable moments so far, the
Dr. Danielle Jones: podcast?
That’s so funny. Oh my god. [00:52:00] I can’t, that’s hilarious. What sex do I have? Funniest story.
Kristin: Oh, that’s so good. Annunciation is
Will: important. Yes. Yes, exactly. All right, so you can send us your stories. Knock knock. High human content.com. Dr. Jones, thank you so much for joining us. This was a pleasure. It really is good.
I can’t believe it took us as long to do this and uh, so we’re happy
Kristin: to have you. A lot of people will be very happy that we’ve gotten so many comments asking you to come on, so hopefully
Dr. Danielle Jones: you’re a very popular request. Oh, you’s so nice.
Will: Thank you. So thanks again for taking the time all the way from New Zealand.
Dr. Danielle Jones: Thanks for having me. Have a good tomorrow, . Yes, I will. Enjoy the day that you’ll live in the future. Thank you.
Will: Yes. All right. You take care.
That was so fun talking with Dr. Jones. That was
Kristin: fun. She had some hilarious stories too. I really
Will: like her YouTube channel. Uh, great sense of humor. So knowledgeable and a strange shooter
Kristin: tells it like it is.
Will: I love that. [00:53:00] And, uh, it just, you know, I’m, I’m a sucker for people that. A lot of educational content, but also can be funny with it and have a, you know, just a great presence.
So yeah, definitely, definitely go check that out. You should absolutely check out, uh, mama Dr. Jones on, um, social media. Um, thank you for your stories. Uh, those are a couple of really good ones today. That was, they really, they’re all good. But those, uh,
Kristin: fantastic. That really, that was funny. ,
Will: uh, do you have any of your own stories to share?
Do you have any thoughts about what we talked today? Do you, uh, have game ideas? I’m always looking for like, Of ideas for like little activities or games to play with our guests. So if you have some ideas for that, please let me know. Um, uh, my creativity can only get me so far, . Uh, and so I, I, I could
Kristin: use, I know there’s gotta be some game fanatics
Will: out there that Oh yeah.
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What concerns could people have? I don’t know. I don’t
Kristin: know. They’ll tell us about ’em if they do.
Will: I have no doubt. Certainly any concerns or any, any medical jokes? Any, anything. I notice
Kristin: that you refuse to say puns. It says puns on your, on your sheet here. I not, but he won’t [00:57:00] say it. Send
Will: the puns. I’ll say it.
Send the puns to Kristen. Okay. I, I’m not a good guy, but it
Kristin: to be a good one. I don’t like laying puns, but I do like a good pun.
Will: All right, let’s wrap it up now. Knock-knock. High is a human content production,
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