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[music]: [00:00:00] Knock, knock, hi!
Will: Knock, knock, hi!
Hello everybody, welcome to Knock, Knock, Hi! with the Glaucomfleckens. I am Dr. Glaucomflecken, also known as Will Flannery.
Kristin: I am Lady Glaucomflecken, also known as Kristen Flannery. Thank you
Will: for joining us today. I have a very important for Kristen right off the bat here. You have
Kristin: a what now?
Will: Very important, important question for Kristen.
What did I say?
Kristin: I think you left out
Will: one or two words in there. I have a question for Kristen.
Kristin: I have a question for you. Are you okay?
Will: I’m fine. As you’ll hear later on in the outro, I am on call and I got woken up a couple times and my body, I don’t, it’s just harder. It’s just harder.
[music]: As you get older.
Cause you’re getting older.
Will: Yeah, it’s [00:01:00] true. And like, it just, what it does, it takes me longer to fall back asleep after a
[music]: page.
Will: And so I just like lay there in bed after I got woken up at 1 a. m. I lay there for like 45 minutes before I was able to fall asleep again. So, but it was a patient that probably had a retinal detachment.
That’s a pants
Kristin: patient. No
Will: it’s not.
Kristin: No?
Will: No, it’s
Kristin: not. Retinal detachments are not pants patients. Not a
Will: pants patient. Standard of care is do you want to be able to see them within 24 hours, uh, that might actually be later, uh, with more research that comes out in terms of how quickly you need to reattach someone’s retina.
So it’s, it’s an urgent problem, but it’s not like emergent, put your pants on, go see. Because honestly, that’s such a specialized surgery that the
Kristin: I’m sorry I asked. No. Let’s just keep moving. We’re in
Will: it now. Uh, the, the, the possible it’s, it would be really hard to do that type of specialized surgery, like in the middle of the night to mobilize the people that need to be mobilized to [00:02:00] get the equipment where you need it at the facility you needed to get it at.
And it’s just easier to do it like during the day. Well then
Kristin: it’s a good thing it’s not something that’s emergent, because it sounds like you’d be out of luck.
Will: If it was emergent, I would make it an emergency, okay? If it was an open globe, I would have gone in, and I would have done the thing, but I got that patient where they needed to go today, this morning, and
Kristin: I hope everything turned out well for them.
Will: Absolutely. Absolutely. It will. It will.
Kristin: Okay, what was your question?
Will: Are you a good swimmer? Jeez, goodness, this is gonna be a hard time.
Kristin: Uh, no. No, I am not a good swimmer. I
Will: Why? Did you swim a lot growing up? No, I mean, you had a public pool.
Kristin: We did, but I wouldn’t say I swam in it. I, I,
Will: what’d you do in it?
Stood in it?
Kristin: Yeah, kind of. No, I mean, you know, when you’re a kid, you play in the pool, but you’re not [00:03:00] like swimming, you’re not doing like the strokes and yes. So of course, like I can. Swim to like, if I fell out of a boat or something, I can, you know, swim,
Will: water safety. Did you have to do a swimming test in school?
Kristin: No, we did not have a pool. Where do you think I went to school?
Will: Yeah. We had a pool.
Kristin: Yeah. Well, junior high pool. You were like a our junior high fancy city rich kid, so,
Will: oh, I, no. Okay. First of all, no, I was not. All right. We like, well compared like solidly middle class class compared to
Kristin: where I grew up.
Absolutely. I was, the
Will: difference between our two places is I grew up, we both in Texas, but Texas, everywhere in Texas prioritizes football. Sports,
Kristin: football,
Will: like our kids have go to a public school here in the Portland area and they don’t have a school. Yeah, there’s like no after school sports. The only sport they have is cross country.
Yeah. In my junior high, which again, just like, we were like right next to the Houston ship channel next to [00:04:00] a bunch of refineries, like it wasn’t, it was a, it was a wonderful school district, but it wasn’t like, Fancy pants, school district. But you
Kristin: were like 5A right? We were big. You were enormous. It’s a
Will: big, yeah.
And so our junior high had six different sports we could do, and you got a special award if you played all six sports.
Kristin: This is explaining a lot about how you parent.
Will: I didn’t play six sports.
Kristin: No, but you. I did,
Will: three.
Kristin: You, you like to, we don’t have to get into this here, but you like to encourage our, maybe, you like to encourage our kids to do a lot of.
Will: I just,
Kristin: yeah, to make a lot of time commitments.
Will: I like, I think variety is key as Dr. Mirez, when we talk, she mentions this, like different sports are good to, to expand and, you know, move different muscles and practice different things.
Kristin: No argument there.
Will: I agree with that. And I like to expose my children to [00:05:00] different sports.
Kristin: Yeah, that’s fine. It’s just, I feel like it has gotten to where. Like everything has become so specialized all the way down to like elementary school sports that like, if you think you might even want to play soccer in high school, then you’d better start, you know, in elementary school and you’re going to come three times a week and you’re like, it just, I feel like it’s gotten way out of proportion, the amount of time that kids have to spend doing these things.
That’s
Will: not like my fault. No, that’s not your fault. It’s like, I want to sign my kid up for basketball. And then the rec basketball league is like three days a week and every weekend for five And you have to like
Kristin: travel to go to the games, even though they’re like 11 years old. It just.
Will: So anyway, but we’ve gotten like all the different sports.
Like we’ve, we’ve tried, um, we did ice skating for a while. We did, uh. When they
Kristin: were little, little, they did like dance and gymnastics.
Will: Basketball, um, uh, dabbled in, we’re starting to dabble in tennis now, [00:06:00] swimming. And, um, I tried, uh, our youngest in track. She lasted two practices.
Kristin: Yeah. That was a big bust.
Will: Big, giant fail. My, I’ve never, the amount of complaining I was like, normally I’m like, you got to see it through, but Ooh, no, I didn’t
Kristin: even, I had no fort, I
Will: did not have the fortitude to, to, to proceed with, with the track season. Uh, anyway, all right, let’s talk about our guests.
Kristin: Yes. There’s a reason we’re talking about sports because
Will: our guest today is, um, Andrea, Dr.
Andrea Mirez. She’s a, uh, an intern in psychiatry at Mayo Clinic, uh, and also a three time Olympic swimmer. She was born in the United States. Uh, her family is, uh, from Israel. So she swam for Israel for three Olympics in 2024. Uh, uh, so very accomplished swimmer. And we talk a lot about, uh, sports, about being a physician and an athlete and the mental health, [00:07:00] uh, between the two.
Kristin: Yeah. And I think she was doing them kind of, Simultaneously, right? Like I think she did an Olympics and then maybe like fit med school in there somewhere and then did another Olympics and then came back to residency. So there’s like this really, I don’t know how people can do two things so intense at the same time.
And I
Will: had a lot of questions for her about the Olympics. You did. And the temperature of the water in the pools. It’s
Kristin: not your best one, but. So,
Will: let’s get to it. Here is Dr. Andy Mirez.
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All right. We are here [00:08:00] with Dr. Andy Mirez. Andy, thank you so much for joining us.
Andi Murez: Thank you for having me.
Will: I got to say you, so you’re coming to us from, it looks like a resident workroom, uh, and it, it looks like a place you would go to learn. It’s very like, it looks very academic. So, uh, and I see on the side of you a book, uh, called anxiety.
So, uh, I think we can all guess. What specialty that you’re in, although we don’t have to guess because we know. So how did you find a place away from everything to do this?
Andi Murez: We have this, it’s called the gaff reading room, um, and you can come in here to take some time to yourself or to, to read the books on the shelf or just to finish up notes in a quieter place.
Will: See why? I think. Psychiatry should be taking the lead in how to, how to organize a, a, a, um, a residency program [00:09:00] that focuses on mental health. That makes sense, right? It
Kristin: does make sense. Yes, I think psychiatry and palliative care. You all need to take some pages from their books.
Will: I bet neurosurgery doesn’t have a nice reading room like this.
With nice lighting and wonderful, you know, I’m just saying.
Andi Murez: I don’t know. I’ve never been there.
Will: Nor do you want to, I’m sure. Yeah. So what year a residency are you in?
Andi Murez: I’m an intern first year. Oh
Will: my God. How’s it going?
Andi Murez: It’s good so far. Um, I started late. Um, so I started mid August
Will: and so I’ve
Andi Murez: only really had like three months here.
Will: All right. And what have you done those three months? Cause I know it can be all over the place intern year.
Andi Murez: I’ve done emergency psychiatry. And then emergency medicine. Um, and then now I’m on child psychiatry inpatient.
Will: All right. Then, then this, you’ve just opened it up for me to ask probably the very important question on your emergency medicine rotation.
Did you have to do any eyeball [00:10:00] stuff?
Andi Murez: Yes, actually, um, a patient came in, um, he was cutting wood without glasses and he felt something go into his eye. Classic. Yeah. So we had to flip up the eye and.
Will: Uh huh. Nice. Did you get it out? Actually,
Andi Murez: yeah. Look at
Kristin: that. Were there any corneal abrasions?
Andi Murez: Yeah. I think there were some from, because it had happened the day before, um, and so we saw
Will: you did better lamp
Andi Murez: test.
Will: You did better than like 90 percent of non ophthalmologists. Well done. Not bad. Just in the first couple of months of residency. That’s pretty good. Oh,
Andi Murez: Well, I have to thank the, the senior attending that I was working with.
Will: All right. So another, I have another emergency related question because, and I’ve decided I haven’t told you this, but I’m going to try to do this with every guest now.
Because I, I frequently talk about, with ophthalmology, I talk about pants [00:11:00] patients. These are, these are patients that when I’m on call, if I get a, if I, if I get a page, or a phone call. Well,
Kristin: hold on, you have to set the stage for this to make sense. Is that ophthalmology call involves a lot of like, Lying in bed, watching Netflix, mostly.
Will: Well, yeah, sure. Yeah. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s not the worst call in the world, but, um, a pants patient is when I do get a call, no matter what time it is, I am immediately putting on my pants to come in to see the patient. That’s a pants patient. Okay, so I want to know. You just,
Kristin: you had to have that context because like that’s why your pants were off.
You know, I don’t want it to get weird. Like the pants were off because he was in bed.
Will: I think you’ve kind of made it weird already. Anyway, Andy, I want to know What are the pants patients for psychiatry?
Andi Murez: We’re always in the hospital at least first year. So I’m not really sure I needed that explanation.
Will: All right. So we’ve confirmed [00:12:00] that your pants are always on in the hospital. I guess that makes sense. Um, but is there, what is, what are the I guess what, what are their, what are the types of calls you would get as a psychiatrist that like, where you’re going to definitely come in and see that patient right away?
Andi Murez: What’s an urgent call? Um, I mean, one, if, if someone is acutely psychotic, um, suicidal ideation or after a suicide attempt, I guess, now that I’m thinking about it more when you’re saying the pants off, I mean, something that seems sort of related is if someone comes in intoxicated. They or that they need to be medically cleared before we can address any psychiatric concerns That might be sort of like we delay
Kristin: insinuating the intoxicated person has their pants off
Will: But, uh, no judging there, uh, you know, it’s gonna, you know, pants on or off, you know, you’re, you’re, you’re a [00:13:00] professional and, um, so, so when you, cause I’ve, I’ve never sat in and seen what it looks like when a psychiatrist comes into the emergency department to evaluate a patient, but in that moment for a psych, for someone who’s having a psychotic episode or something, are you, what is your, In point with that visit in the emergency department, are you trying to decide, okay, does this person need to be admitted or are they safe to go home?
Is that the biggest, because obviously you’re not going to sit there and do like psychotherapy, like in the emergency department, right?
Andi Murez: Yeah, so I would say it’s very similar to other. Emergency medicine questions is, does this person need hospitalization or are they safe to go home? Um, and particularly in our case, is there some other place other than home that they might go?
Um, like a crisis center or something like that, that they could go to.
Will: Okay. What, what led you to psychiatry?
Andi Murez: [00:14:00] I started swimming at a young age. And the mental aspect of sport, um, got me curious about it. And then I just continued to, I learned some psychology in undergrad, and then I really enjoyed my psychiatry rotation and studying psychiatry in medical school and wanted to continue.
Will: Oh, let’s, let’s talk about that. The, this, this, this psychological aspect of sport and don’t undersell yourself like you’re an Olympic swimmer. Like so this, this is like a big part of your life. And so can you talk a little bit about the psychology? Because I know just in regard to swimming, like I’m a terrible swimmer.
And, um, uh, one length down the pool and I feel like I’m about to die. And so I imagine it takes a lot of, of mental fortitude and, and strength to be able to do what you do. And so talk a little bit about the mental toll and, and, uh, how that ties into psychiatry.
Andi Murez: [00:15:00] Yeah, well, first I would say that’s totally fine, but your level of swimming, I think that water safety is super important.
So the fact that you can make it to the wall like a toddler
[music]: is, you know, I
Will: can kind of, you know, I don’t have a lot of body fat on me. I’m all limbs and bones, and so I don’t float very well, but I can, I, you know, I can, I can, what is it, tread water?
Kristin: Oh my goodness. For
[music]: like a few minutes.
Will: Exactly.
Kristin: Doggy paddle.
Will: But yeah, talk, tell about, uh, so when you, when you talk about the psychology of sport, um, you know, talk to us about your experience. In that, you know, with regard to your swimming and competition.
Andi Murez: Well, so I started when I was about 12 years old. Um, and most of the training is physical in the water every day.
Um, but in terms of being able to perform, you have to be prepared. And, um, the [00:16:00] anxiety and the nerves before. Before a big competition, um, can really make or break a performance. Um, and so luckily I was surrounded by a really good team environment as a kid and had really good coaches that instilled lessons and, um, and really understood the importance of.
Performance and the mental aspect behind that. And just that when you get up to get on the starting block, your race can be decided just on the way you’re standing or the way you’re breathing or what’s going through your mind, whether you win or lose that race. And in swimming, it comes down to hundreds of seconds, or it could come down to 0.
01, one one hundredth of a second between you, between winning and losing or whatever place you want or time you want. And so being really prepared and prepared. Ready for the competition is super important.
Will: Is there a lot of, of, uh, kind of, um, you know, going through it in your mind and, and, [00:17:00] uh, what is, what do you, what do you, I’m trying to come up with the word.
Like visualization. Yes. Visualization of being on the blocks and then in the stars. What is your
Kristin: process to be in the right headspace?
Andi Murez: So it starts in the warmup, which I’d need to warm up my body. Um, but I definitely work on breathing, um, and just closing my eyes and absorbing, you know, the sounds, the smells, everything, the senses of everything that’s going on and trying to find a quieter place.
Usually the warmup, there’s like a, a separate warmup pool outside of the competition pool. Um, and so just. Yeah. Finding a space around the competition pool or sorry, around the warmup pool or around and maybe away from our team area to just sort of get in my own zone. And I usually create a schedule for the day of the competition beforehand so that I don’t have to think about it.
And I just go off of that schedule and know how much time I should be spending on everything so that I can remove any stress, um, or [00:18:00] extra stressors out of the way. Um, and then. Uh, I generally don’t listen to music right before I get up on the blocks. I like to sort of take in the environment, um, but just sort of having, you know, key words that I say to myself and think about all of the work that I’ve put in.
And then just calm breaths and try and get excited for the race instead of nervous for it.
Kristin: Yeah, I love that. I’ve heard that, uh, tip somewhere that if you are feeling nervous, um, and anxious before you’re gonna, you know, public speaking or you’re performing or competing or whatever it might be, if you reframe it as, oh, I’m feeling, you know, heart palpitations and I’m feeling nervous or whatever, I must be really excited.
And then you can kind of trick your brain into feeling excited rather than nervous, and then things tend to go better. It’s a little, I don’t know if there’s like evidence to back that up, but I like that as a life hack.
Andi Murez: Yeah, I’m not sure either, but I do [00:19:00] remember a reporter saying, That I think it was this past Olympics that they had been, um, interviewing a bunch of different Olympians.
And whenever they, someone asked, are you nervous? They would say, no, I’m excited. And so it’s changing that nervousness into excitement and opportunity.
Kristin: Yeah. There you go. I like that.
Will: So I want to ask you a question about swimming. Is it, is it really, does it feel really cold when you jump in the pool?
Andi Murez: Well, it depends.
Are you cold outside the water beforehand?
Will: I always, cause when I, I always, it’s like, uh, it’s like a shock whenever I jump in the pool. Is that how, what’s the, what is the temperature of the water in the Olympic swimming pool?
Kristin: Olympic swimmer for one hour and that’s your question? I want
Will: to know what the temperature of the water is.
Is it really cold? Do they keep it a little bit colder than usual? Is there, I’m sure there’s regulations, right? It has to be like a certain temperature.
Andi Murez: Yeah, so it has to be a certain depth, um, obviously a certain length, so that it’s, you know, world records can be, [00:20:00] um, you know, judged and measured. Um, but yeah, I think the regulation is 78 to 81.
It can’t be too hot, um, and can’t be too cold, but I think they usually keep it more like 78 degrees Fahrenheit so that it, you don’t overheat, especially I don’t swim the longer events. But if someone swimming a longer event is getting really warm, that would be tough.
Will: So you’re a, uh, like a hundred, hundred meter specialist.
Yeah. As you freestyle, is that, is that your, your event?
Andi Murez: Yeah. Is there, is there a stroke
Will: that you’re just, you know, You could probably do all the strokes, honestly. Like, is there one that you like, just absolutely hate?
Andi Murez: Breaststroke.
Will: Breaststroke?
Yeah.
Will: Okay. That’s, that’s very reassuring to hear because our, uh, our daughters just got into swimming.
Kristin: She’s 12. She’s
Will: 12. So it’s like, she’s talking about you got into it at 12 and she loves it. She’s really enjoying it. She’s already a better swimmer than [00:21:00] me, which doesn’t say much. She struggles with the breaststroke. It’s, it’s like the. I think it’s the coordination of it, like the kick with the arms. I don’t know.
It seems like it’s a really hard stroke to master.
Andi Murez: Yeah, I relate to her. I mean, all growing up and until probably two years ago, I was doing all strokes in practice just because it’s good. It works different muscles. It’s good to try to work on your coordination,
[music]: but
Andi Murez: in terms of. Can I, am I actually good at it?
I’ve never been good at breaststroke, but that could change also, you know, if you have a young swimmer.
Kristin: Yeah, yeah, you never know. She’s still growing, so maybe things get easier or harder depending on how she grows. I was pretty
Will: uncoordinated, you know, as a young kid because my arm, my arms and legs are so much longer than the other part of me.
That got better with time, so maybe. Well,
Kristin: hang on, I want to know, so far, I realize you’re all, you, so you’ve done medical school [00:22:00] and you are three months or something into residency, so I know you still have some time to go, but so far, what is more difficult, Olympic training or medical training?
Andi Murez: I think medical training.
Well, I think, I mean, for everything, there’s good and bad parts or easy and hard parts. Um, I’ve just gotten so used to swimming and, you know, have so much experience it and, uh, you know, being thrown into residency and now having all of this responsibility on me, um, in terms of medicine, um, has definitely been an adjustment.
And so I think this is harder, but yeah. Are
Will: you, what’s, what is the future of your swimming career look like? Are you, cause you’ve done three Olympics, uh, you, you, you swam for Israel in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 now, right? And so is there a 2028 in the future or is it? What are you thinking?
Andi Murez: I need to focus on residency.
I think I’ve [00:23:00] had, well, I’ve had the opportunity to swim more, but I’ve only gone three times so far for, um, I have been working out cause I just think that exercise is really fun and a good stress relief and healthy. Um, yeah. It’s in my, the next Olympics is in LA, which is my hometown, and so it’s hard for me to say no, for sure, not, but I also know that I have limited time for the next couple of years.
Will: Well, Rochester, Minnesota, famously, you know, great for outdoor swimming.
Kristin: Yes. Where you are now is, uh, in Minnesota.
Andi Murez: I don’t know, never been in a place where I’ve had real winter, so I will be in for a treat in a couple weeks.
Will: Well, I want to talk a little bit more about medicine and certain things, but in terms of, um, You know, I know you’re interested in mental health with regard to [00:24:00] athletic performance and everything.
How does what you’ve learned in the mental preparation of swimming competition, how does that relate to being a physician? Is there overlap there? Have you? Do you feel like that experience has really helped you in some way?
Andi Murez: Yeah, I mean, I think for, I’ve learned lessons for life from swimming. Um, I think that the hard work and dedication and delayed gratification, um, I’ve learned from swimming and that it’s helping me in some way.
You know, have an easier time in residency being able to deal with some of the more challenging parts of it. That’s good.
Kristin: So there, see, all you gotta do to get ready for residency is be an Olympian and you’ll be all set with the skills needed.
Will: I would also, I would, I would bet. Mayo’s got to have a pool, right?
I mean, that, I, I remember seeing the lobby of Mayo Clinic, it’s [00:25:00] like all marble. You can’t tell me there’s not a pool there.
Andi Murez: I don’t know that there’s a pool in the hospital. Um, I guess hydrotherapy, there probably is in the I’m talking
Will: about a recreational pool for Olympic athletes.
Kristin: So there is
Andi Murez: a healthy living center where Mayo employees, um, have access to the gym and there’s a pool there.
So that’s where the couple of times that I have been, have been there inside indoors.
Will: Right. Okay. I’ve got a couple of questions about Mayo. Let’s take a quick break first.
All right. We’re back with Dr. Andy Mirez. Uh, so Mayo Clinic. Which I have to, so it’s in, I’ve, I’ve been to Rochester once, uh, I interviewed there for residency at
Kristin: Mayo Clinic.
Will: I, I, like I mentioned, I, I remember the, the, the marble that I, that’s what I remember the most. Yes, the text
Kristin: I got was this lobby is [00:26:00] entirely marble.
I don’t belong here. Oh,
Will: you remember that? Is that what I said? I don’t even remember that. All I remember is the lobby and the fact that they have people whose job it is to give you piggyback rides around the hospital.
[music]: I haven’t found that yet.
Will: Where is that? I want it. It’s not for interns. Oh, that’s
Kristin: more of an attending perk.
Will: Yeah, you’re the one that’s supposed to give the piggyback rides. Yeah. No, but the, uh, um, I have to assume that Rochester is like, uh, like, ground center for, for, um, uh, dry cleaners.
[music]: Why is that?
Will: Because you’re wearing a suit every day, right? Isn’t that still the thing?
Andi Murez: Yeah.
Will: I
Andi Murez: mean, I’m not right now, but the men definitely wear suits every day.
Will: Oh, okay. Um, is that, so do you have a dress code you have to follow?
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: To me, that [00:27:00] was almost like a deal breaker for me.
Kristin: Again, I feel like some context is needed here, given that she doesn’t know you personally yet. That, um Yeah. Um, how do we describe that? I’m wearing athletic shorts and a dress shirt.
What
Andi Murez: are you looking
Kristin: at? Well, remember how we told you that he has to put his pants on? Well, no. Uh, no, his usual, uh, attire is, is, uh, athletic wear. Or, uh, sweats, right? Like, and no judgment, because I prefer the sweats as well, but it’s, uh, you know, for somebody coming from that level of, um, I’m trying, I’m trying to choose my words carefully.
No, you can
Will: be as harsh as possible. That’s fine. He’s got
Kristin: no style, and he doesn’t want any fuss. In his clothing, and so walking into a place where you have to wear a suit every day, he was just like, I don’t think I even need to go to the rest of this .
Will: I just remember thinking when I was at Mayo thinking like, this seems like really [00:28:00] hard to to do.
Like I, because I only had one suit. At the time and, um, and then they’re like, you got, like, how do you do that? You got to buy all this, all this clothing just to be a resident. See, that was,
Kristin: it just was too hard for him. So,
Will: I
Andi Murez: mean, on the flip side is you don’t have to ever choose your outfit.
Kristin: That is true.
As
Andi Murez: long as you get enough of them.
Kristin: Right. You know what you’re going to wear. Same thing every day. Same look.
Will: That’s a good point. Although I did hear that since recently they have, uh, they have relaxed the dress code a bit. I don’t know if you’re aware of this.
Andi Murez: I’m not aware of it. I just got here recently.
I don’t know.
Will: They, um, they now allow you to wear scrubs on the inpatient side of things.
Andi Murez: Oh, okay.
Will: Yeah. So, so there you go.
Andi Murez: Oh, actually, I did hear that. That since the pandemic, that has changed. For psychiatry, we still wear
Will: corduroy
Andi Murez: business gloves. Well, business closed on the inpatient units.
Will: What part of psychiatry do you [00:29:00] think, I mean, you’re early, right?
So you have time to figure out, uh, but is there a particular area that interests you?
Andi Murez: Right now, I just want to see rotation by rotation. If I survive, then maybe I’m interested in it. No, I’m just kidding. Um, but I, I am interested in sports psychiatry.
Will: Oh, is that, is that a I didn’t
Andi Murez: realize that was a
Will: Is that an established field or, or is it
Andi Murez: Well, what is an established, I mean, there are people who specialize,
Will: is like, is that like, can you do like a fellowship in this type of thing?
Andi Murez: Not yet, but I have four years of residency. So maybe, maybe, maybe we’ve
Will: talked to people that have like made their own fellowship programs and that seems, and
Kristin: if anyone’s going to do sports psychiatry, I feel like you are well primed to be the one. Yeah. Thank you. So totally. Yes. Absolutely.
Andi Murez: So I am interested in it.
Again, it’s my first year, so we’ll see kind of what happens. But I think that there are a number of more experienced sports psychiatrists that I can [00:30:00] at least gain, um, some experience from and knowledge from and then be able to do it.
Kristin: Yeah. Did you have access to one of those as an athlete or something like that?
Andi Murez: Not really. I think, I mean, we worked, we had a psychologist, um, in Israel that we worked with individually. Um, not a specific in Israel, I don’t know of a sports psychiatrist. And so part of my interest would be, um, in helping to, to facilitate that and raise mental health awareness, especially in sports in Israel.
And then, um, I got in college, um, I didn’t have. There was no sports psychiatry. I don’t know that the field. was very big at that point. So I didn’t have access to one, but I think now some of the universities have it, which is great.
Kristin: Really cool. Like you wouldn’t, I feel like this is a parallel between, um, sports and medicine, right?
Like both of them are very, [00:31:00] Historically, very physical, right? There’s this huge biological, physical component to them, obviously, right? With medicine, you’re studying all the physiology and treating, you know, and in sports, you’re using your body and you’re doing, historically speaking, the mental components or the psychological and wellbeing components of all of that.
We’re not really factored into either one, so it’s very interesting to see now you’re at sort of the confluence of both, and you’re kind of You know, bringing them, them together in a really interesting way. That’s pretty cool.
Will: I want to, can I ask you another question going back to the Olympic stuff?
Cause you’re right. Well, no, we, cause we, you know, how often do we get talked to an Olympian? Right. Um, uh, did you, how much did you interact with like the other athletes from other countries, or are you like very much like just hanging out with your team? Cause you guys, you have other, other swimmers on your team.
Right. Um, How much of, like, was there, [00:32:00] like, free time to just really get to, to get to know people from other countries, different cultures?
Andi Murez: I would say it’s a mix. I think overall, a lot of, especially team sports, um, but even when we had a team of swimmers, um, you’re trying to build that camaraderie and have that culture for your team and get prepared for the competition.
And so particularly before the competition, there isn’t a lot of time. You’re really trying, especially in swimming, we do what’s called a taper. And so we Do less, um, in the pool and less physical work. And then you’re really just trying to rest and let your muscles, uh, recover before the competition. Um, and so, I mean, the, the Paris Olympic village was beautiful.
It was along the Seine river and you could go and have a cup, a cup of coffee and sit, you know, by the river, but we tried the, the village is huge. And so you could get exhausted and especially in the summer heat of just walking around all day. And so we tried to stay inside and relax before the [00:33:00] competition.
And then afterwards we had a little bit more time. I stayed for the second week of the competition and got to go to all of the other competitions. Well, that must be
Will: a huge perk to like doing swimming. Cause it’s, it’s always at like the first week of the Olympics, right? And then I feel bad for like the track and field folks.
Who like, you know, they don’t, they’re, they’re like the last thing to, to go. And so they don’t get like to just decompress and just enjoy being at the Olympics. Cause, cause they have to wait two weeks to, to, to compete. So I’m sure that’s probably fun to just get there, do what you gotta do, compete, swim, and then you get to.
You know, do what, what did you enjoy doing at this, this most recent Olympics?
Andi Murez: I really like beach volleyball. I mean, I used to play like on the beaches in Tel Aviv whenever, you know, the weekend came around. That was like the thing I was looking for forward to in the middle of medical school, but then obviously also watching it.
And it was in front of the Eiffel tower. So that was a [00:34:00] highlight of watching beach volleyball. I also went to watch water polo. I went to break dancing cause I was curious what that competition was like. How was that to watch?
Will: Did you see the famous dancer? I did not. What was her name again? Oh,
Kristin: gosh. I don’t know.
I can’t
Andi Murez: remember. Raygun. Raygun.
Will: Raygun. Raygun. Yeah, that was it.
Andi Murez: Yeah. Um, no, I didn’t see her, but I saw the men’s final and I had no idea what was going on. I actually met, um, speaking of meeting other athletes, I met, um, She was the gold medalist in trampoline gymnastics, because we were sitting on the floor, which was also very interesting because they had stands, but then I think just the culture and competitions of breakdancing, usually there’s people just sitting around the stage on the floor.
And I was sitting next to a British, uh, trampoline gymnast and we sort of looked at each other and neither of us had any idea what was going on or [00:35:00] how the competition worked. And so we were talking about that like, oh, trying to guess like how the scoring works and what the moves were and how we think they did.
Um, and it was funny because I, I asked her, Oh, how’d you do in your competition? And she said, I did well. And like, it kind of went through my mind, like, I wonder if I should ask more about this. And then the next day I found out that she had won a gold medal. I was like, oh yeah, you did do well.
Will: As an athlete, do you, do you pretty much get to go wherever you want in terms of competitions?
Like if you wanted to, I don’t know how it works with, like, getting tickets to, like, go see a gold medal, like, soccer match or, you know, so do you, do you get to just do whatever you want?
Andi Murez: Not really, um, so there was an app on the phone that you could buy, not buy, reserve a ticket, um, For a competition, but you could only reserve for one competition per day to make it fair to everyone to be able to, and there [00:36:00] were only a limited number of seats for athletes not in that sport
[music]: because they would need some seats
Andi Murez: for the other soccer players to be able to watch, I think, um, and then, yeah, there were only a limited number of seats and, um, I had focused on swimming and thought, Oh, I’ll just get tickets after.
And I think some people like right when they got to the village and learned about that application, they started reserving their one ticket per day. Um, and so I didn’t get to go to as many competition as, as I wanted to, but I mean, I still got to go to some for free and it was amazing. Yeah,
Kristin: that’s pretty
Andi Murez: cool.
Will: So your first Olympics was in 2016. And was that
Kristin: Rio, right? Yeah. Okay.
Will: Um, did. Do you feel like you’ve, you, you learned a lot like over the subsequent Olympics that, that, that help you in that competition, I imagine. I can’t imagine how nervous you were, like that first Olympics to be competing and then did, did it, did it feel [00:37:00] easier the subsequent times?
Or, or is it always, ’cause that’s the biggest stage for swimming, right? Um, is were you just always like, tied up in knots? Competing at the Olympics.
Andi Murez: I think I was nervous or excited for all of them, but I, yeah, I think the experience that I had in the second two, um, were helpful so that I was able to control that.
Will: Got you.
Andi Murez: Nervousness and turn it into excitement more. Um.
Will: What was your favorite location?
Andi Murez: I don’t know. All of them. I mean, so the thing is, one thing that’s good is when you go to your first Olympics, like everything is new and the village is huge and you can, you know, walk around and you’re so excited to trade pins with people from other countries and all of these things.
And so, you know, sort of what it’s like and can focus more on the racing. Um, and competing. And then also Tokyo was just so different. I mean, it was in the pandemic, um, there were no spectators, [00:38:00] so
Will: it was, it was,
Andi Murez: yeah, very different.
Kristin: Yeah. That would, this seems like it would be kind of eerie.
Will: Is that worse as a, as an, as a, you know, as a competition, you know, do you, do you feed off the crowd?
Do you. Do you prefer having people there? I mean, can you even hear the crowd? Well,
Andi Murez: yeah, so that’s the thing. You only hear the crowd beforehand. Sometimes if it’s really loud, you might, you know, turn to breathe and be able to hear it. But I think my race particularly is pretty quick. It’s less than a minute.
And so there isn’t time to realize that there’s noise or hear any of that. Um, I don’t remember about my particular race in Tokyo, but I remember that we were sitting in the stands for the very first event than the very first heat. So like the very first swimmers that dove in for the Olympics, one of my teammates was in the pool and we were so loud and there were only three swimmers.
So there weren’t that many teammates for cheering for any of them that he could hear us. So that was kind of cool [00:39:00] that without all of the spectators making it really loud.
Will: Can you shout? Just on that point, can you, can you like shout, uh, like coaching tips to this, to Is there anything that someone could tell you while you’re swimming in the middle of the race to help you do better in the race?
Andi Murez: Not really. Swim
Will: fast.
Andi Murez: Faster.
Will: I guess, I guess when you’re, when you’re doing a race, that’s like less than a minute, there’s probably only so much you can, you can, you can say, but you know, Anyway,
Kristin: also at that point, it’s like, it’s too late for that. Like you just need to cheer them on at that point. Well,
Will: you know how, like certain sports, like obviously like certain team sports, you get coaching like during the event.
Um,
Andi Murez: yeah,
Will: but I just didn’t know if that existed in swimming.
Andi Murez: For the longer races. Yes. You can have a coach running on the long side of the pool and pointing. If maybe, you [00:40:00] know, you’re on one end of the pool, you might not see someone coming up you. Um, and passing you, um, for a hundred meter
Will: freestyles, you either
Andi Murez: see them or you don’t.
Will: No way. One thing I learned about swimming, watching the Olympics is that you can, um, can’t you like, uh, uh, drift draft off of someone’s like waves that they make, right? You probably can’t do that in a short race, but I met, or maybe you can, I don’t know. Does that, does that make a legitimate difference when you’re racing?
Yeah.
Andi Murez: Yeah, I mean, it depends on the race, so sometimes in the middle of the season, I’ll try doing that, um. And just have fun with it and, you know, focus on the racing. I think at a big competition, I’m just focused on doing my race plan and swimming my own race. And then I also swim the 200 freestyle. And in that one, there is more strategy.
And so moving to the side of the lane and having a draft for the first hundred is helpful to then [00:41:00] save your energy for the second hundred. But then you also play the game of, is this person actually going to go faster than me? Because I’ve definitely had it. Where I thought I would be able to draft and then I just went slower than I wanted to at least because they didn’t do the strategy that they were planning to do.
And then also if you’re swimming like this, like trying to move to the side, you end up swimming more than the distance you’re trying to, or that the race actually is. So, it sort of depends on the, the race and where in the season it is, you know, how important the race is and how much I trust. Sounds like a funny version of
Kristin: chicken.
Like, who’s gonna cooperate? Right,
Will: exactly.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: So, uh, and then another question I had was, was just, and I think I made a couple jokes about this for, cause there are, there are a few athletes at the Olympics who. Who are in medicine or going to med school, or I think there was a, the fencer, um, Lee, Lee Kiefer, Kiefer, I think, anyway, he’s like a gold medal, like, uh, [00:42:00] you know, the fencer.
And I just, the, the idea of, of going from this incredible event. Uh, competing against the world’s best one week and then next week being
Kristin: one of the world’s best
Will: at your sport until all of a sudden next week you’re like answering questions on rounds about like, you know, positive visual phenomenon during psychotic episodes.
I don’t know. It’s just like the, the, the, the contrast there I found rather funny.
Kristin: Yeah, that would be a bizarre switch all of a sudden.
Will: How was that for you coming back to starting? I mean, that’s a whirlwind of a turnaround, right? I mean, just starting your medical career right after competing at the Olympics.
Andi Murez: Yeah, so I stayed for that week in Paris, which I think was really nice. My, my family was there as well. So I got to spend time with them and then I went home for a week and basically just packed up all my stuff and moved out here [00:43:00] to Minnesota. Um, On the one hand, I think it’s nice because I knew what I was doing after, and I think sometimes athletes get stuck and they have this high, high, high, and then all of a sudden there’s nothing and, you know, nobody’s watching them on TV, nothing, and, you know, you’re taking a break and aren’t sure if you’re going to compete or go for another Olympics or what you want to do with your life, and so it can be kind of challenging, but I also think that A couple of weeks would have been nice to have to just sort of relax and come down from that and, and then get into medicine.
But I, I mean, I knew that this is what I was going to do and I’m just so happy. I didn’t even know if I would be able to take a year off after medical school before residency. So I think just the fact that I had this time was, I’m just so grateful for it.
Will: And they, your program lets you start a little bit late.
Is that. So you could do this?
Andi Murez: Yeah. So while I was interviewing with programs, I was, [00:44:00] uh, like direct about it that I hadn’t qualified at that point, but my goal was to qualify. And that if I did the Olympics were in the end of July, so I would have to start late. Um, and so, um. It’s a decent
Will: excuse. I imagine it’s, Hey, do you mind?
I just, like, I’m got this thing. Let’s go
Kristin: do the Olympics real quick. The
Will: Olympics. And then I’ll be back. You know, just real quick. I promise I’ll have time to do my. Internal medicine rotation. I don’t know.
Kristin: How was that though? Having to come back and, and like people are already going, you got to jump in with both feet right from the get go.
How, how was that for you?
Andi Murez: It was okay. I mean, it was definitely a change in my schedule of what I was doing every day, what clothes I had to wear. Um, because I also like wearing sweats, especially being in swimming and I said, I do too. Look at me. Um, So, yeah, I mean, it was an adjustment, but I feel like my department was super supportive and I started my [00:45:00] rotation in emergency psychiatry, which is one of the busier rotations.
Um, but I did feel like I had support, um, and if I had any questions that someone was always around to help me.
Kristin: That’s nice. Do your, you don’t have to answer this if you don’t want to, or if you want us to cut it, we can cut it, but I’m curious how your fellow residents reacted to, you know, the fact that they are training with an Olympic swimmer and, and, you know, getting there late, that meant maybe they had to pick up a little more slack in the beginning.
I know that’s always a struggle with medical trainees of, you know, I feel like I can’t be gone because then everybody will be, you know, I’m going to make more work for other people or whatever. Yeah. How did they react?
Andi Murez: Yeah, my co residents were very supportive. They were excited, you know, asking how it was.
They wanted to know if the chocolate muffins were as good as they were advertised as, uh, were they? Were they? Yes. Was the food good overall? They were really good.
[music]: Yeah.
Andi Murez: The [00:46:00] food overall wasn’t amazing. I mean, they were. You know, making food for thousands of people. Um, so I think that’s a little challenging, but the chocolate muffins as well as the other baked goods were really good.
I would imagine in Paris, France.
Kristin: Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Will: All right. Uh, Andy, we, we’ve just enjoyed love talking with you, but a couple, one, I’ve got one last minute question here before you let you go. Um, if you have, A kid who’s interested in swimming, like what, this is a purely selfish question, I
Kristin: know, I can tell, what
Will: kind of like, uh, what do you, how, what do I do, tell
Kristin: us how to be a parent, what’s the
Will: goal here, what should I, cause this is a whole new world, like she’s like swimming like three times a week, like what, is it just like the more you swim, just keep swimming?
As much as possible, like, I just don’t know what to do. Like, what’s, what do you recommend? What do you have any, do you have any tips for us as [00:47:00] parents of a, of a 12 year old?
Andi Murez: I, I think like supportive, you know, being supportive and if they want to be in swimming, then, you know, support them and maybe wake up early to drive them to swim practice.
Once that becomes a thing, but I mean, I started on the swim team while I was doing taekwondo. And so I was. Um, I think that balance is important, um, and just, you know, not necessarily putting, um, all of your effort into one sport. Um, I think that age, I would think.
[music]: Yeah.
Andi Murez: Yeah. And coordination and you can learn other things from other sports as well.
Um, so I don’t think it’s bad to do other sports, but if she loves swimming, then I think just continuing to encourage her to swim. And I think that the most helpful thing was having friends on the team that I enjoyed seeing. So then I wanted to go to practice because at first I was constantly [00:48:00] asking my, my, I have an older brother and the two of us would constantly scheme after school of how we could get out of practice.
And if my mom picked me, picked us up. So I just think there’s a balance in. You know, supporting your child and allowing them to enjoy their passions, but also letting them not go to practice sometimes. And if they want to do another sport, maybe letting them for a little bit, and then maybe hopefully they’ll realize.
Well, I don’t know if you really want to push them into swimming then, then they may be on their own. They can realize that they want to be in swimming, but I think just having a good, a good group with a coach that’s, you know, motivating, um,
Will: yeah, I’m like, yeah, I’m excited that she loves swimming. Cause it’s good on your joints.
Andi Murez: Yeah. That’s true. Good exercise. Are you in LA? I’m curious. No, no, no. We’re in Portland, Oregon.
Will: Yeah. Oh,
Andi Murez: okay.
Will: Yeah. Also very well known for its great swimming weather. Wonderful [00:49:00] weather for swimming out in Portland, Oregon. Um, well, uh, Andy, we’ll let you go. You’ve, uh, you’ve, I’m sure you have notes to write or something, so.
Yes, you’ve been
Kristin: very generous with your time as an intern.
Will: I definitely want to mention you’re working on a project for mental health and athletes. Is this something that you’ll be working on throughout residency? Absolutely.
Andi Murez: I’m working on it currently. Um, I don’t know. I’ll sort of see how it goes. And, you know, if there’s further studies to, to continue, or if there’s other projects, there’s tons of research and projects going on at Mayo.
So I’m excited to learn about all the opportunities there.
Will: I think it’s so cool. Well, keep up the awesome work. Congratulations on all your success and I hope you find some, an indoor pool to swim at in Rochester. Thank you. Take care.
Hey, Kristen. What? You know what mites do when they get excited? They dance, they dance, they dance all over your [00:50:00] face.
Kristin: Ugh.
Will: You got these on your eyelids, you know that, right? I do not. Well, some people do. Okay. They’re demodex mites.
Kristin: Yes.
Will: They cause blepharitis, which is like red, itchy, irritated eyelids, like flakiness, you wanna scratch your eyes, and don’t do that, by the way.
But yeah, sometimes that’s from a disease. Demodex
Kristin: dance.
Will: It’s the Demodex dance on the eyelids, except it’s not that fun because it gives you all those symptoms. All right, so, yeah, but they’re cute, right? They’re not, they’re not gross.
Kristin: These ones are, these stuffy
Will: versions. Right, oh, the real ones, not so much.
Kristin: Are the real ones gross in the microscope?
Will: They’re still, I think they’re still cute, but again, I’m an ophthalmologist.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: But don’t get freaked out by this. Okay. Get checked out. All right. All right, you can find out more, go to eyelidcheck. com. Again, that’s E Y E L I D check. com to get more information about demodex and demodex blepharitis.[00:51:00]
All right. I want to talk to more Olympians. I have so
Kristin: many questions. I’m sure you do. You’re like a kid in a candy shop.
Will: It’s so interesting. Like, how often do you get to talk to someone that went to the Olympics? That’s amazing. That’s pretty cool. I could have made it.
Kristin: I’m trying to think
Will: of which, which, which, uh, event, if I really put my mind to it, could I have made it in the Olympics?
I, I used to be able to jump really high. I’ve got the body type for a high jumper.
Kristin: I mean, listen,
Will: I’m sorry to
Kristin: tell you, but you are 39 years old.
Will: Okay, all right, so, so you’re saying chess.
Kristin: Yeah.
Will: I don’t think that’s an Olympic sport.
Kristin: Jeopardy? I don’t know. What is,
Will: uh, what is the one sport that it looks like someone who’s older can Oh, uh, in the winter Olympics, curling.
Kristin: Mmm.
Will: That’s something.
Kristin: I don’t know though. You have to like ice skate, don’t you?
Will: I mean, I’d be terrible at that, but I’ve got like a 39 year old could, could do curling. In general.
Kristin: Maybe not you, but a 39 year old. Sure. Okay.
Will: [00:52:00] Exactly. I mean, LeBron James was in the Olympics and he’s, he’s a year older than me.
Kristin: That’s true. But he, he has been doing that for his whole life. That’s true. I’m not going to compare
Will: myself to LeBron James. But the point is, we need to, I want to interview all the medical professionals Olympians out there.
Kristin: All the medical Olympians. And also, um, Steven Neterozic. Yes,
Will: of course. Like I’ve, I’ve been telling our producers, like, what’s the big, what, like, what’s, what are we waiting for here?
Let’s just get like one of the more famous Olympians Olympics to get on the knock, knock high with the Glaucomfleckens. Talk about glasses for 45 minutes. I would love it. I’d love it. Now whether other people would love it, I thought they’d love it.
Kristin: Oh, yeah. He captured the nation’s attention. He was on
Will: Dancing with the Stars too, right?
Was it The Masked Singer? One of the
Kristin: I don’t know.
Will: He was on one of the dancing shows. Oh,
Kristin: okay.
Will: Yeah.
Kristin: Good for
Will: him. Yeah, absolutely. You gotta take advantage of that, that [00:53:00] Olympian fame. Well, and I like hearing
Kristin: what Dancing
Will: with the Stars, yeah.
Kristin: Oh, okay.
Will: Dancing with
Kristin: the Stars. I like hearing, too, what all of these Olympians are doing outside of their sport.
Yeah. You know, like this really interesting to think about, like, you know, you spend so many years doing,
Will: you know,
Kristin: devoting yourself to that for so many hours every day. And then like, what do you do when it’s over? I love
Will: that Dr. Mirez is, is using the herd experience and focusing on like sports psychology, psychiatry.
She’s really
Kristin: kind of had two careers since she’s merging them together. That’s cool. It’s really cool.
Will: Uh, let us know what you guys thought. And if you have any suggestions for, um, Olympic athletes who we could talk to and who would be willing to talk to us
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I was on call last night. Like, give me a break. Okay.
Kristin: Yeah, I know. I actually got
Will: woken up at 1 a. m.
Kristin: You know how I know?
Will: How’d you know?
Kristin: Cause I also got woken up at 1 a. m.
Will: Because I cursed really loudly, I do remember that.
Kristin: Why did you curse really loudly? Because I didn’t
Will: want to get woken up. I got, the page came through and I just let out a big giant, you know what, F bomb.
And, and I, after a while I was like, oh, I bet I probably woke up Kristen with that.
Kristin: Yeah, you did. And then I also heard you talking really loudly on the phone call. I was,
Will: just to clarify, I was nice to the [00:55:00] person. I just, who wants to be woken up? That’s, it’s, so it’s just, you know, I expressed myself. I get my frustration out before I get on the phone.
Kristin: Yeah, you know, you’re not making it, uh, where people are going to want to call their oncologist. You’re not doing any favors. Don’t
Will: feel bad for me, folks, okay? But, you know, I’m just a little bit tired. We got to keep going here. All right, if you comment on YouTube, by the way, at Glaucomflecken, that’s our YouTube channel.
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Kristin: I agree. It would be lovely to have that.
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Will: Oh, I guess we don’t know.
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Hey, Kristen. [00:58:00] Yeah. What do you think about clinical documentation?
Kristin: Boo.
Will: You feel that strongly about it?
Kristin: I do.
Will: Why?
Kristin: Because your doctor ends up spending all their time typing little notes on their little computer instead of like, listening to you or looking at you in the eyeballs.
Will: Well, it sounds like your doctors could use DAX Copilot.
Kristin: I bet they could.
Will: Yeah, this is like a little Jonathan in your pocket. Yeah. It’s an AI assistant that helps decrease the administrative burden that leads to burnout and leads to like your doctors not being able to look at you while they’re talking to you.
Kristin: Yeah, it helps them do their little typing and take their little notes without having to do it themselves.
Will: 93 percent of patients say their physician is more personable and conversational with Dax Co Pilot. You love conversation.
Kristin: I do, and I want them to be a person.
Will: And that, that’s, and that we need that because today’s physicians are overwhelmed and burdened and they feel like work life balance is unattainable.
That’s
Kristin: right. And
Will: we know that work life balance makes you a better physician.
Kristin: That’s right.
Will: To learn about how DAX [00:59:00] Copilot can help you reduce burnout and restore the joy of practicing medicine, visit aka. ms slash knock knock hi. Again, that’s aka. ms slash knock knock hi.
