Pimple Popping with Dermatologist Dr Sandra Lee

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Will: [00:00:00] Knock,


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Greetings! Welcome! Welcome to Knock Knock High with the Glockenfleckens. You’ve 

Kristin: had your coffee this morning. I guess it’s not morning anymore. I did. That’s okay. 

Will: I’ve had two cups. I can tell. I’m raring to go. I’m Dr. Glockenflecken. I’m 

Kristin: Lady Glockenflecken, Kristen Flannery. 

Will: That’s who we are. We’re ready to talk with you all.

What was in your coffee? It is skin day. We’re talking skin. 

Kristin: Yes, we are. I’m just so excited. We have a fantastic dermatologist 

Will: guest today. We have the one and only Dr. Pimple Popper. That’s right. Dr. Sandra Lee. Dr. Sandra Lee. Board certified dermatologist. Known by all as Dr. Pimple Popper, uh, [00:01:00] and we, we, we get into some really, really fascinating discussion just about, uh, I was, I was like, I’m so glad I got to hear about like the community of people that, how she found them, uh, the, the, the people out there, all of you out there listening that just like, Popping things on your 

Kristin: skin, but they like to watch other 

Will: people.

All right, right not popping it yourself Right watching other people get theirs 

Kristin: popped Yeah, and I don’t I don’t want to shame anybody people are all sorts of ways and I don’t know I think people’s differences are very interesting, but I personally have a very hard time understanding the appeal of Watching that so I don’t know people have to tell us in the comments if they’re one of those people that enjoys it Please do share What, 

Will: what do you get out of it?

Have you never popped your 

Dr Sandra Lee: own thing? Uh, 

Kristin: it’s, I don’t… Time 

Will: or two? It’s gross. 

Kristin: Once or twice? No? I don’t, I mean, probably. I don’t know. I, if I have, I’ve scrubbed it from my memory because it was disgusting. You 

Will: [00:02:00] take very good care of your skin. Yes. Yeah. You’ve got, you’ve got all the products you do. Yeah, 

Kristin: I have a whole routine.

I’ve got a morning routine. I’ve got an evening routine. I’ve got an after shower routine. I’ve got an in the shower routine. I mean, you gotta, you gotta take care of your skin. I don’t have a routine. 

Will: You don’t have any of that. I, I, uh, I splash my fa my wa my fa I splash my face with water, uh, and then it’s nice.

It’s refreshing. Then I go to bed. 

Kristin: Yeah, that’s about all you do. But, you know, I have very fair skin, like, my genetic heritage is Norwegian, so I grew up in, you know, central Texas, there was a lot of sun, so I feel like I did a lot of accidental damage as a child, and so now I need to do what 

Will: I can. Well, you can certainly tell the difference.

between the two of us, um, even though we’re, uh, basically, actually, Kristen is one year older than me, but, uh, uh, as far as [00:03:00] appearance, I am like a 56 year old man, 

Kristin: so… Well, you know, also, you’ve died one more time than I have. Do I get a little bit of a break? I feel like that probably ages you, to die, and then 

Will: come back?

Can I get a little, uh… 

Kristin: Yeah, 

Will: I think that helps. Shout out Sudden Cardiac Awareness Month. Yes, 

Dr Sandra Lee: speaking 

Kristin: of dying, October is Sudden Cardiac Arrest Awareness Month. So be aware. 

Will: Be aware, be aware of it. Be aware of it. 

Dr Sandra Lee: CPR. 

Will: Yes, get certified 

Kristin: in CPR. Um, know where your nearest AED is. I really, it would have been a lot easier for me had we had an AED in our home or near our home.

Uh, when you had your cardiac arrest. And also, you know, there’s some new, this is actually something I’m very proud of. I’ve been involved in, you know, some, some new resources that exist out in the [00:04:00] world for people who have, um, been affected by cardiac arrest. So whether they are survivors, co survivors, uh, whether they responded to a cardiac arrest.

Um, if they are bereaved someone that they love, you know, that they lost them to cardiac arrest, um, there’s some new resources out there. So check those out. Those are, um, you know, it’s not an ad or anything. I just really, it’s what I set out to do, I think with my platform after your cardiac arrest was to, to try to make it so that other people would have an easier time than I did.

Um, there was no information. There was no. terminology for someone like me. There was, you know, it was, it was really difficult. And so I have tried to do what I can to, um, raise awareness of this idea of co survivors, right? That it happens to the, to the loved ones too. I have tried to raise awareness that responding to, to cardiac arrest can be, um, you know, a traumatic thing where people might need some, some [00:05:00] help.

So, um, check those out. There’s, there’s a few things out there. Um, one that I’ve most recently been involved with is called HeartSight. So. Yeah, everybody, take a look. I have a confession to make though. You were in, uh, this is not about cardiac arrest, but you were in, um, no, it’s, you were not home last night because you were traveling.

And, um, You know, when, when you’re solo parenting, there’s just more things you got to keep track of. And you got to do all the things that two people usually do. So I was just doing that and I just kind of lost track and I didn’t realize it until this morning, but, um, I did sleep in my contacts again. Are you serious?

Will: Mm 

Kristin: hmm. I did. I knew you’d be upset. So I have to tell you publicly so that it will mitigate your response. 

Will: You slept in your contacts? Yeah, I did. Do you have any idea what? What could have [00:06:00] happened? Um, pseudomonas, yes, pseudomonas, amoeba, staph aureus, streptococcus. Uh, what else? Uh, any number of it could’ve gotten stuck.

Any number of fungal infections. Mm-hmm. . 

Kristin: But you know what? I, I played it fast and loose and I’m, I think I’m okay. 

Will: Everybody listening, please don’t, don’t do what Kristen just did. That’s it’s a very shameful. 

Kristin: It’s um, I’d like to make a public apology. 

Will: Thank you. That’s I think that people would appreciate that.

I think that’s, that’s exactly 

Kristin: what I’ve offended. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I did 

Kristin: sleep in my contacts and I will strive never to do it again, but I can’t make any promises. I probably will. 

Will: Well, I forgive you. All right. Let’s talk about, let’s talk about skin. Should we get to Dr. Sandra Lee? Let’s do it. All right. Here’s Dr. Lee.

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Will: All right. We are so thrilled to have Dr. Sandra Lee. Dr. Pimple Popper MD here to join us today. Uh, thank you so much for being here. Thank 

Dr Sandra Lee: you for having me. This is really lovely. 

Will: Oh, it’s, it’s great. We’ve already, uh, as soon as you got on the, the, the call here, we already established that our names are not actually Glockenflecken, and your last name is not actually like pimple popper.


Dr Sandra Lee: that’s good. Yes. I think mine is more understandable. Yours, I had no idea. I thought that that was your name, and I have a hard time spelling it when I’m trying to search for the email. So I’m like, what is the, because I think, I keep thinking glaucoma, because you know, you get that right probably. 

Will: Oh yeah.

I mean, I have patients call the office asking to make an appointment with Dr. Glockenflecken. Yes, yes. That’s right. It’s, it gets to [00:09:00] be a problem, but, um, I want to start just by your, your, your story is fascinating, like how you got to this point right here. So I guess my first question for you, at what point did you know that there was an entire community of people interested in, uh, bursting lesions on the skin, like, like what helped me out here?

Dr Sandra Lee: Yeah, I. You know what they say about hindsight when you look back and you go, oh, I should have seen the signs You know, like I should have seen the signs there are there are times where I think back Certain instances and realize wow, I should have noticed it then but yeah I didn’t notice it really until I started to post Blackhead extractions or pimple popping on social media and then strangers would just be Excited about it and be tagging their friends.

And then I thought wow, this is that that’s crazy thing I guess I [00:10:00] would say where it cemented it was when that brought me down the path on the internet of Discovering that there was a subreddit that was just on called popping and it was just tens of thousands of people that were sharing popping videos with each other.

That’s when I realized, wow, this is a thing. And then when you would see their comments and how they were talking about this, you’d be like, wow, this is like, this is something. Well, it’s, 

Will: and obviously there is, there is a place for a board certified dermatologist to come in and actually like provide the education surrounding these things.

Like when should you be? Actually, is it a good thing for people to be on their own popping things or is that the best left to the professionals? 

Dr Sandra Lee: Right. I mean it is not. I mean, you know what my answer is gonna be. It’s not something that you should that you should be doing, but in a way it’s like I think when they watch these videos to many people There’s a, there’s a mix of people.

[00:11:00] There are people who don’t, can’t stand to pop their own pimples, but they like to watch, watch it. And then there’s people that, you know, but I think, I think that people who like it, they also like to watch it. There’s a comforting feeling, which is a crazy thing. 

Kristin: That’s my quote. I have a really hard time popping.

Dr Sandra Lee: Now, he’s a, you’re an eye doctor, correct? He is. Do you have a problem with the eyes? Because I have people… That have a lot of problems with dealing with the eyes, you know? Oh yeah. It’s a thing. For 

Kristin: sure. Yeah. Yeah. We’ve talked about it on here before that every doctor has like a body fluid that they can’t handle and so that’s how they know they’re not going to go that direction, right?

And I’m not a doctor, but this is definitely, this is probably one of my most difficult body fluids. More so 

Dr Sandra Lee: than like, more so than like eye. Like if somebody’s working a surgery on the eye, you can’t watch, you can watch that. I wouldn’t watch that either. Okay, it’s like that, it’s like surgery and things like that in general.


Kristin: it’s different, right? Like, like to the eye [00:12:00] surgery, I, it makes me want to like grab my eyes like it seems painful to, for the, for the pimple popping, it makes me worried I’ll vomit. Like, it’s just a different. So I’m having trouble understanding what people like 

Dr Sandra Lee: about… I’m noticing a theme. 

Kristin: I don’t understand what people like about horror movies.

Dr Sandra Lee: I don’t like horror movies. I can’t watch scary movies at all. I don’t like roller coasters. 

Will: Personally, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t mind it because, I mean, there’s, there’s a lot of skin stuff that comes up around the eye. And so I end up seeing a lot of, you know, eyelid… You know, Ian and, and things like milam 

Kristin: and mil.

Exactly, yeah. Things like that. Yeah. And so, but you’re a professional. Oh, no, I know, I know. And so these are people like in their homes on the internet watching . 

Dr Sandra Lee: Yes. Other people. And they do that while they’re eating potato chips or I can’t, and they’re, and they’re doing it to relax. They’re actually doing it to help them fall asleep.

Uh Oh, really? Yes. Oh, wow. It’s like very comforting for people. I notice It’s interesting. Happens interesting a [00:13:00] lot in people who have a very, stressful job where they deal with people like policemen, firemen, nurses, um, tattoo people, people that deal with skin and maybe seeing disruptions in it and, and sort of dealing with, uh, and I think that when you watch somebody else do it in a way, It like relieves stress kind of I think because it’s not you and you know that Usually I mean all my stories have a happy ending in general Like they’re not gonna like end with something like and then this person, you know dies or something like that it’s not like that like, you know that this is cancer and this is like, you know, it’s a happy ending, you know, it’s going to be gone and everything’s going to be back in place.

And I think that that helps them deal with their stressful jobs, which is very interesting. Yeah, there’s something 

Kristin: metaphorical there about, you know, they have a lot of built up stress, maybe from their job and watching something. [00:14:00] You know, explode kind of helps them. 

Will: I don’t know. What was it a Well needless to say Kristen probably has not seen as much of your content as I 

Kristin: have.

I’m sure it’s really wonderful. I know so many people love it I just can’t handle it. I get it. 

Dr Sandra Lee: No, I get it. And in fact people watch the Watch the television show and they will watch it, but they don’t watch the gore, like the gory parts. They’ll like turn away for those parts, but they like the storyline and things 

Will: like that.

What I really like about it is just the, the variety, you know, you’re, you’re, yeah, it’s called pimple popper, but obviously there’s so much more to that. The breadth of, of first of all, I had things. Yes. Yeah. Even as a physician, like I had no idea that skin could do that many things. Yeah. Like it’s, it’s, 

Dr Sandra Lee: it’s outrageous.

I think it’s really nice that we get to bring that to that. We’re not just about pimples. They’re not just acne and warts and rashes. There’s so much more. Yeah. I’m sure the same with you. Like how many things can happen to the eye? What’s going [00:15:00] on there? 

Will: Not only that, but there are like, we have seven sub specialties.

Last time I checked there may be more, I don’t know, but yeah, we even. That’s just a feature of medicine nowadays that you sub specialize in so many different things, probably to some extent similar in dermatology, but yeah, uh, it’s, it’s, I don’t know, I, I mean, it, uh, it does feel weird to go through medical training and just devote your career to, uh, like a two centimeter, uh, you know, organ, but it is what it 

Kristin: is.

Yeah. It’s also an organ that’s like not typically thought of by a layperson as an Medicine related, right? Like it’s like your teeth, right? You don’t get, right? Vision insurance is separate. Like I don’t think about ophthalmologists when I think about medical doctors. I’m sorry. Yeah, no offense, but 

Dr Sandra Lee: it’s just true.

People don’t consider dermatologists too when they think about medical doctors as well. Yeah. So, 

Will: so did you consider other career paths before dermatology? Were you like 100 percent headset dermatology? [00:16:00] That’s what you wanted to do or how did you come to that? 

Dr Sandra Lee: You know, I wasn’t even really headset, uh, determined to become a physician.

I, I think that it was just, my father’s a dermatologist and my mom is a nurse. So we were, they were in medicine and I just think it was, I was sort of at this, I was in college taking like the five year plan and I kind of was like, what do we do next? You know, let me go, let me apply to medical school. I already knew, I was good at sciences, math and sciences, and I just thought.

I don’t know. I was never like, Oh, I must be a dermatologist. I must be this. And sometimes I think about the other things that I, I mean, I enjoy doing a lot of other things. And I think, uh, um, you know, I think I’m so happy and proud to be a dermatologist, but this wasn’t really, um, what I was planning on doing.

I didn’t have this goal early on. I don’t know if that was something that you had interest in at a young age. Or how you happened upon it either if it was the same, but it just happened. [00:17:00] 

Will: Yeah, I knew I wanted to go to med school pretty early on, but I had no idea. It took me until really the final year of med school, you know, early on where I had to decide.

Dr Sandra Lee: So similarly, like dermatology and ophthalmology are more special, uh, specialized within medicine that you don’t have to take those rotations. So you may not know about them or how great they are, um, when you’re going through medical school. And I think I was lucky in the sense that I did have a dermatologist in my family.

So I did know how. Great of a specialty it is, you know, my dad wasn’t trying to he didn’t even push me to become a doctor Uh, he but he would you know, I would see or he would say yes Dermatology is a great specialty to be in for this and that reason and I think uh Also, when I heard how challenging it was to get into just like ophthalmology, it’s very difficult to get that.

Those are very highly coveted specialties are very, um, [00:18:00] uh, the competition is high. Then you, I sort of felt like, well, yeah, I want to try to do this then. Let me, you know, that kind of motivated me to see if I could get into this specialty. So I just think I was lucky in that sense that I knew about it. It was on my radar early on.

I knew what a great specialty it is. 

Will: I never seriously considered dermatology. I did do a two week dermatology elective and I think and you know, this is gonna be great It’s and it was it was the hours were fantastic. Yeah, I got to do like procedures and stuff. It’s a very procedure oriented specialty But man, you got to memorize a lot of really boring things.

I’m so sorry like like so there’s so many Like chemicals that cause reactions to things and like I was sitting in on the residents all like quizzing each other on just the minutiae was unbelievable. You guys don’t have 

Dr Sandra Lee: minutiae though? You must have minutiae. Yeah, I was 

Kristin: gonna say, you’re 

Will: one to talk.

Okay, all right, all right, fair enough, fair enough. [00:19:00] Yes, we all 

Dr Sandra Lee: have. Spider bites and like parasites and like worms and like, and we get like, and we get to describe rashes in weird ways that people are like, I didn’t like, I could describe a rash to somebody, um, a dermatologist and they would know exactly what I’m talking about.

I could say the same thing to you and you’re going to say, that sounds like a maculopapular rash, right? That’s what everybody says. Everybody that’s a non dermatologist, that’s another specialty. That’s how they describe it. And you’re like, okay, that doesn’t 

Will: mean anything. I’ve certainly made fun of it in my, in my content for sure.

Uh, I guess what I’m saying, I guess, I think I just, I just wasn’t smart enough. There was, there was too much. There’s too much skin, Dr. Lee. It’s just not your thing. That’s a thing, I can’t deal 

Dr Sandra Lee: with it. There is a lot of minutiae though. There’s a lot of Latin words that you have to learn. There’s a lot of text.

There’s a lot of. I mean, in a way it’s like BS too, you know, because it’s like, you know, um, there’s a way to invent so many different, it’s not BS like in a negative way, but it’s like there’s a [00:20:00] lot of different things you got to learn. And it’s sort of like, I’m sure with you, there’s so many things to learn.

But that’s why a residency is so important because to know all these things, you may not remember it offhand, but you have it sort of in this subconscious or in this world. You’re like, Oh, there is something I remember that when you do this, like you do, like just, we have such cool conditions. Like you can get this, uh, condition where it looks like you whip your back.

Like it looks like somebody literally whipped your back and somebody, and if that person comes in with that condition, you could say, Hmm. Did you have a meal yesterday that had shiitake mushrooms in it? You know, and that 

Kristin: ends up being See, like, this is what I’m talking about. And then you’re like a wizard.

That’s unbelievable. Like, 

Will: how did you know? You’re magic, that you could do stuff like that. 

Dr Sandra Lee: Well, you probably have something you ooze glitter from your right 

Will: eye, and that means, like If I can’t see it, it doesn’t, it doesn’t ever happen. Okay. I mean, we do. No, we have some things, you know, like, like Bartonella cat scratch type, type things.

You know, you couldn’t see [00:21:00] these, these weird things in the eye, but 

Dr Sandra Lee: it does seem like that. Isn’t that half the worm thing that grows? 

Will: Yes. Now, fortunately I’ve never seen, uh, like an actual case of loa loa, um, Kristen’s is 

Kristin: dying on the inside. I have never been more sure of my decision to not go into medicine.

Well, those are so 

Dr Sandra Lee: rare, that at that point, as long as it doesn’t move fast and jump, I mean, you’re okay. It’s not going to come get you. There you go. 

Will: As long as it doesn’t jump, you’re fine. You know, there are, like, I feel like once or twice a year somebody comes into clinic to see me, they’re convinced they have a worm.

They’re absolutely convinced. Like, I saw it, it’s in there. It’s a floater. Most of the time it’s not, but it just speaks to how, actually probably like every single 

Dr Sandra Lee: time. What’s that diagnosis called for you? Um. Is there a name for that? Because we have a name. No, no, 

Will: no. No, like where you’re just, you think you have a something and have one.

It’s, I don’t know. I think it’s just anxiety about, about having 

Dr Sandra Lee: eyewarts. You guys don’t name things. That’s why you don’t have that much. That’s [00:22:00] called delusions of parasitosis. Oh, when people come in and they believe they have bugs on their skin. 

Will: That’s it must be the same thing though. Can I take that?

Yeah, I start using that. Yeah

Dr Sandra Lee: Delusions or like after yeah, you have to call you to change it a little bit but like It is when you have Delusions you have true delusions and you we get you get something called the matchbook sign Back in the day, people don’t carry matchbooks anymore. Now it’s like a Ziploc bag sign. But you bring in like a matchbook, they would, like back when I was in training, you’d say it’s a matchbook because they’d bring in little pieces of fuzz, like from somewhere, and they would say, insist that these are bugs that they pulled off of their skin.

And it’s very tough to actually… convince people to get treatment because usually it’s a now they can google things and they can see that that’s an anti psychotic medication. So they’re like, well, why are you giving me this medication kind of thing? You know? Well, 

Will: in my world, it’s [00:23:00] usually, I just have to reassure them.

Like I don’t, it’s usually not to that point where it’s. It’s causing major problems, but it’s really fun though, to be able to say it, reassure people, no, you do not have worms in your eyes and they’re very relieved. So that’s, 

Dr Sandra Lee: that’s, that’s interesting. That’s a good one. Some of my floaters look like worms.


Kristin: Yeah. I could see how if you didn’t know what floaters were. Yeah. That’s 

Dr Sandra Lee: true. That you might think it’s a worm. I would say for us, we get it more to a severe degree that like they’re usually insistent and they get, they can get angry. with you, like if you tell them they’re not, um, that they’re not indeed, uh, so there’s our, our favorite patients, but they are within the realm of dermatology.

Will: Yeah. Well, you know, there is a lot of overlap. Obviously we’ve, we’ve, we’ve been comparing like skin and eyes there, there, there is like some, in fact, I’ve, I’ve known there, there have been, there are practices out there that actually do combine the two. I believe like there are like, like They’re like right adjacent to each other.

I don’t know. There, there is. There’s like, I feel like we, we share some patience sometimes and… 

Dr Sandra Lee: Well, you know, the [00:24:00] Caruthers. Do you know who the Caruthers are back up in Canada, Toronto, they are actually a husband and wife dermatologist and ophthalmologist team. And they essentially discovered Botox and the treatment for wrinkles.


Will: That’s right. Actually, ophthalmologists do. They, we claim Botox, you know. No, no, no, no. Yeah. We do. We do. I don’t know. I don’t know. 

Kristin: This is ultimately a marital argument, which 

Dr Sandra Lee: is why it’s so tricky. we should put it to a test on social media. Let’s see who’s got claim, I think. We’ll do a poll. 

Will: Okay, do you know, do you know the first clinical use of Botox was, was for 

Dr Sandra Lee: strabismus?

Uh, I would, yeah, I would think it was for the, like, is that, that’s the eye itself, but I thought it was like the twitching maybe, like, you know, when you’ll get that, uh, I don’t know 

Will: what it’s called. It was the eye muscles. It was treating, treating the eye. I thought strabismus 

Dr Sandra Lee: was the eye when your eye does this.

Is that not right? No, it’s just a 

Will: misalignment to the eyes. Like, yeah, so it’s just a misalignment. So you have like one eye going out or going in and, [00:25:00] and Botox was used to do that. So, uh, yeah, we could put We’ll ask, uh, both of our audiences, like who Who owns, I think at this point probably. 

Dr Sandra Lee: Have you drilled it into I think the general public, 

Kristin: um, yeah.

You a Botox as a dermatological intervention. Yeah. , you, you, 

Will: you certainly in your daily life probably use it a lot more than I do, but, um, you know, I That’s okay. I’ll give it to you. You 

Dr Sandra Lee: should taste Yes. Nyst. That’s what it was. Oh. Oh. You thinking look at me. Go. 

Kristin: You. I don’t know why I just raised the roof.

That’s, that was like 1995 coming 

Dr Sandra Lee: out. Well, ’cause I said matchbox. That’s, 

Will: that’s, I’m impressed. 

Kristin: Yeah, well, when she said it, I was like, oh, I used to remember what, or I used to know what that is called, but I can’t remember anymore. I’ve 

Will: never, I, that’s not even a word I say when I’m on call and you’re overhearing me talking 

Kristin: about my stuff.

I know, well, you know why I know it? Because I can do it on command. 

Will: Actually, you know what? If I, if I ever… Let me, let’s come back to that. Okay, put a pin in that. But if I am ever on call and I use the word nystagmus, you know I’m having a bad [00:26:00] time on call. So, cause nystagmus is hard to figure out. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I would just say, bless you, or something like that.

Yeah, exactly. 

Will: So yeah, you’re nystagmus on command. Yeah. 

Dr Sandra Lee: It’s gotten harder as I’ve gotten older. Did you notice how he purposely said it again because we say it wrong? Did you notice that? He’s like, nystagmus. Nystagmus because I say nystagmus, I say nystagmus. 

Will: Oh, nystagmus. I think, I don’t think there’s a right or a wrong way.

I don’t know. You 

Dr Sandra Lee: pretty, the word just in general scares me. You pretty soft. Theologist pretty much declared it’s nystagmus. 

Will: Nystagmus. I, I say nystagmus, but I, I do say some words kind of funny. I mean, oh, for god’s sake. I Glock flecking, like no one knows that Word. Word. Yeah. So, well, 

Dr Sandra Lee: how did that come about?

You? Have you already told this story? Paul ? 

Will: Um, I, I was, I was bored at a conference. Um, this was back in 2016. It was a, like a vision research conference and I. I have a, had a standup comedy background. I was like, I’m just going to tell some jokes on social media. Cause he 

Kristin: had to go to the conference cause he was a resident.

So it was like a requirement. Well, I had to, it was like 

Dr Sandra Lee: a little vacation. I’m sure he was very it. [00:27:00] Oh God. Yes. It was, 

Will: it was painful, a painful conference. So anyway, I was like, uh, I’m going to start this social media comedy, you know, channel, uh, what am I going to call myself? And I was, I thought of the most, the silliest word I could think of in ophthalmology and So, Glockenflecken.

It’s an actual thing. Oh, it is? It is. What is it? You don’t, you really don’t want to know. Oh, I don’t want to know. It’s, it’s very, 

Dr Sandra Lee: uh, uninteresting. Is it a bad word? Oh, okay. No, it’s, it has something to do with, it’s just boring. It was probably named after a real, the Glockenflecken, probably. Right, maybe that’s 

Kristin: why you thought it was a last name, because maybe it really 

Dr Sandra Lee: was 

Kristin: someone’s last name.


Will: I feel bad about, about whoever the real Dr. Glockenflecken 

Dr Sandra Lee: was. Yes, it. Come on. 

Will: Cause I’m pretty sure now if you, if you Google that word, trying to come up with like actual examples of glaucoma flecken in the eye, instead you get like me dressed up as a pediatrician. 

Kristin: We did get tagged. I don’t know if you know this.

We got tagged on social media by somebody who had a printout. I assume it was [00:28:00] like a, like an after visit summary or something. And it, it. Mentioned Glockenpuckin on it and they tagged us. So there you go one in 

Will: the real world. What about your name? Dr. Pimple Popper? I mean, that’s it’s that’s it’s fantastic, right?

It catches you it catches your attention. Did you did you? It’s easier to spell. Did you have other options you were thinking about this? 

Dr Sandra Lee: I wasn’t really thinking when that happened. I mean It was sort of, it was just a, um, it really came down to that going back to Reddit and not knowing what Reddit was at that point, but deciding, Oh, this is the thing.

There’s a whole group of people here that likes this stuff. Let me post there and I signing up for it and then realizing, noticing that nobody used their name. So I had to think of a name. So that’s what I thought of. That was essentially it. Yes. That was that. That’s how that came out. Do 

Will: you, what is your opinion of social media these days?

Dr Sandra Lee: Um, what is my, that is a heavy 

Will: question. Do you enjoy it? Are you, is it, is it, is it kind of a job now to [00:29:00] you? Yeah, it 

Dr Sandra Lee: becomes a job, certainly, and I knew that was going to happen and anticipate that coming out, but it comes in, fits in waves, I think, you know, like, like you, you get surges of enjoying it and then you get surges of getting tired of it because it just happens to be, how close is it to becoming a job versus how close are you doing it to just like, You know, pull that handle on the slot machine and waiting for it to pay off kind of thing.

That’s what you like about it, right? That feeling, that rush that you get of, of something kind of getting popular and something kind of getting big. And that is like the fun part about it. But then there’s also a work part about it. And there’s. It’s other kinds of issues that come along, people trying to tell you what to do or tell you what you can post or not post or, you know, and certainly the trolls, you know, I’ve been very lucky, I think for most of my career on social media, um, Really being able to avoid a lot of, um, [00:30:00] negative comments and trolls.

And I think it was initially because people were just so happy to have people that were like them and they realized, you know, and they were like, just like, Oh my gosh, this is, this is a thing. And there’s other people like me and I’m not crazy. I don’t need to, you know, I don’t know when they don’t need to commit me for loving this stuff.

And I think, um, that was the thing. And I think also. There’s certain, certainly positivity, people supporting others, you know, because they might look different or they might be different. Uh, but, uh, so we really have avoided that overall. And I think it’s also how we, we don’t really address, we don’t, I, I try not to make fun of things or like answer those trolls or, so I think it helps us to avoid a lot of that.

But that can be a bummer too. Yeah. 

Will: Yeah. I totally agree with you. You know, it’s, it’s, there’s good things and bad things about it. Right. But we’re so lucky. Right. It is a big part of our journey and like where we are right now in our lives. Right. And, and it’s a, 

Kristin: it’s a fun creative [00:31:00] outlet sometime. I think that’s when it’s at its best is when.

is when you’re able to be creative with it and just you’re having fun and and it can be just kind of like a hobby and I think it’s less fun because of the pace that you’re expected to keep on social media, right? Of having to post something every day or all the time, however often. And sometimes you just don’t have that It’s got creative juice flowing, you know, but you feel like you can’t just wait until it comes back.

You have to keep posting. So that I think is where it starts to feel more like a job. 

Will: It seems like, Dr. Lee, for you, like you have an endless amount of content out there. Like there’s, there’s always somebody that’s going to need something popped. Or cut open or removed. And so I want to talk about your practice because I am, I am also in private practice and know how hectic that can be when there’s not like a camera crew, I’m not like filming a show.

And so I, I have been dying to ask you just like, how did you combine that into [00:32:00] your 

Dr Sandra Lee: You mean the television show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, well, I mean, for the, so filming social media, well, so it’s, so filming social media is a little different than obviously filming a television show. I was very hesitant on switching to television show, really, when they were coming to, when they were essentially pursuing me and I was like, uh, I mean, I wasn’t that, I was, obviously my interest was piqued.

I was like, Oh, this is a cool thing. I mean, I mean, what’s going on here, but then also I wasn’t like jumping at it because You know, while doing that, you’re losing some control here, you know, you’re losing control of your content and being able to put out what you want to put out. And, uh, I’ve always been very protective of my patients.

I don’t think you put up patients, right? You don’t do, you do more. Yeah. You do more fully creative content on your own, right? Um, yeah. So for me, [00:33:00] it was all about my patients and sort of anonymous and respecting them, but really showing what we do as dermatologists and getting that little that endorphin kick, I guess, from, from watching these kinds of videos.

So that was, it was a big, you know, I thought ultimately, like, why don’t I try, I mean, who else is who, when would I ever get this opportunity and what, you know, let, why don’t we see what happens here? So there was a risk I was taking in doing that. Um, and, uh, it was, it was, Fantastic. It was wonderfully successful.

You know, it was a really big, it was a big hit on TLC and on television and it created a, it does create another monster just like with social media and reposting. It’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of stress, you know, and you are not your own boss and that makes it difficult and complicated. Um, and it’s, uh, but it overall, obviously it’s been a wonderful experience.[00:34:00] 

I mean, I think, uh, it, I I’m very proud of how it’s showcased dermatology and I’m really proud of the work that we’ve done there. And I just think there was a lot of like. Stars aligning along the way that allowed me to do this, um, uh, 

Will: you know, I think it’s a, it’s a great example of just how, how we can combine medical education, you know, with entertainment, because it, that can be done very well and it can be done in a way that’s not so good.

That does, um, kind of poke fun at the expense of the wrong things. Right. Right. May I ask you 

Dr Sandra Lee: how long in practice were you in before you, um, started to get on social media like 

Will: this? Well, I started in residency. I was a non boss. Yeah, because I was like, oh, I’m telling jokes. I don’t want to get fired. I got a lot of student loans.

I got to pay back. And then once I got into private practice, I started feeling more comfortable with what I was saying on social media, realizing. Yeah, 

Kristin: you found your groove a little bit, [00:35:00] you know what to stay away from and what is okay. 

Will: Yeah. And then, and then I tapped in once the pandemic hit, you know, I started making videos and I, I tapped into the interpersonal conflicts between different specialties.

And I, at this point, I don’t even touch on actual patient, you know, either, you know, cases or, or anything like that. It’s, there’s so much material for me just in the healthcare system that I can, I can hit on that. That’s, that’s my bread and butter there. 

Dr Sandra Lee: So it’s interesting how we totally do. We do very different things, even though we’re both medical specialties, very different things within.

Yeah. How does that 

Kristin: work when you incorporate patients into it? Like what is the, I mean, I assume they’re all consenting to be filmed and all of those things. What is the kind of process for when you do include your patients in your content? 

Dr Sandra Lee: Um, I, I mean, I think that they are the content for me, like, right.

They are the, they’re whatever growth they have, whatever condition that they have, they are the content and that’s what makes it [00:36:00] entertaining and educational. And I think that even in the very, very beginning we established, and this is why people don’t really say no to, you know, having them be posted is because they know that.

I’m not trying to exploit them. I have no intention of doing that. I try to protect them in every way. It’s very anonymous. You know, you try, I try not to show their face. I mean, the only places you really see who they are, are people for very rare instances on the internet. on my social media, but also the television show.

That’s the only time where you actually see who that person is and follow their life. But uh, it’s all about really just the condition and explaining it and how I treat my patients, I think. Um, uh, it really drove the business as a dermatologist because people would come from far away even just to Just because they felt they know me and they trusted me because they knew What the whole how what [00:37:00] was gonna happen when they came to see me?

It was gonna be exactly like this really so So yeah, I think it’s just I think they felt very protective and I’ve always been very protective of them and that was my main worry with doing a television show is that that it wasn’t gonna be Uh, that I wouldn’t have that control. Here’s Takedo. This is one of my kitty cats.

He’s saying hello. And yes, I do have giant scalpels behind me. If you hadn’t noticed that, sorry about that too. Yes. Oh, I was, 

Will: I was, I was going to ask about that. In your background here, they are giant, 

Dr Sandra Lee: looks, I also have a giant Kono, an extractor. Yes. I have a giant Comedone extractor over here somewhere on the other corner, too.

Yeah, I 

Will: could absolutely use one of those in my skits. That’s, you’ll have to let me know. That one’s sharp. 

Dr Sandra Lee: People have cut their finger on that one. That one’s like super sharp. And my Comedone extractor is actually a, um, we call it a Popski. Because it’s not, it’s, you can do shots with it. Like, it’s like a, instead of a shot ski, have you ever seen like a ski?

But it’s like a giant pop ski. 

Kristin: That’s 

Will: [00:38:00] funny. Can I ask you, I have one more question before we take a quick break here. Is, um, Have you either in training or any, you know, opened something up and it got all over you? Does that, does that happen my, or are you, are you good enough now that you can, after the break, the trajectory of the discharge that it’s not gonna get you?

Dr Sandra Lee: Yeah, we’ve had things hit the ceiling, we’ve had things hit the wall behind us. I’ve definitely hit someone’s arm. We definitely, uh, you know, yes, that’s where we wear splash masks. You know, as long as I wear something, I don’t, if I, if this had happened before I had constructed our office, I would have probably had a shower installed or something like that, you know, because immediately if something happens and it gets on you, you do want to take a shower.

It’s like, you feel like it’s physically acid on you. You are aware of it. Just like if a… Bird flew over and dropped something on you. You like, ah, you that you gotta clean up immediately. Yes. Right. Absolutely. We want that off of you. Yeah. 

Will: All right. Let’s take a quick break. We’ll be right [00:39:00] back with Dr. Lee.

Uh, hey Kristen. What do you got there? Oh, this, 

Kristin: oh, well you may not know this as an ophthalmologist. But, uh, this is called a stethoscope. Yeah, 

Will: I know what a stethoscope is. I also know it’s supposed to go in your ears and not sitting on top of your 

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Kristin: I try not 

Dr Sandra Lee: to think about 

Kristin: them. They eyelid mites out of my face. Look at these little 

Will: cute eyelid mites. They’re not usually this big. Thank goodness. But you know what they do? What? They cause itchy, red, irritated eyelids. Hmm. I don’t know that it’s actually sometimes demodex mites. That’s horrifying. Yeah, they cause demodex blepharitis.

But don’t get freaked out, Kristen. Get checked out. To find more information, go to EyelidCheck. com. Again, that’s E Y E L I D Check. com to get more information about demodex blepharitis.

Alright, we are back with Dr. Sandra Lee. Uh, so Dr. Lee, uh, you know, I, I try to play a, like a fun game with each guest, and I think this will maybe help people get to know you a little bit better. Probably us too. [00:41:00] Uh, we’re just gonna play Desert Island. That, that’s, that’s it. So. So, five things. Five. Five things.

Five things that you would bring on a deserted island except they for you. They can’t, it can’t be sunscreen. You are not allowed to bring sunscreen, alright? So I would, I would give you five, let’s say, let’s, let’s make them, um, uh, medic, medically themed things. Five things that you would bring with you.

Dr Sandra Lee: Five things that I would bring with me to be able to survive on a deserted, desert island, a deserted island, sorry. And, uh, um, that, okay. And there’s no 

Kristin: shade on this island. So that’s an important distinction. It’s deserted, but it’s 

Dr Sandra Lee: also a desert. Yeah, I mean, I would bring like some kind of water purifier.

I mean, I’m going to think of things like, to be able to survive. I would bring some sort of water purifier, probably an [00:42:00] EasyUp. You know, something like that. That’s gonna easy up. There’s gonna be some shade or something for me. I’ll probably bring a great assistant that can help me to gather wood and

Will: I never thought about that. That wasn’t on my list. A person to do all the chores for you. Yes, to help me out there. You could bring your Desert Island 

Dr Sandra Lee: Jonathan. I don’t have to talk to my hand the whole time or something like that. I got someone to talk to. Wait, do 

Will: you have a scribe? Do you work with a scribe?

A medical 

Kristin: scribe? Uh, 

Dr Sandra Lee: yeah, kind of. I mean, I’ve actually had paper charts. Mo most of my life until just like a couple of years ago. Oh, wow. Okay. And it’s been very, very hard for me to adjust. I am like the old lady now that like, I 

Will: can’t, what did, I don’t care. Can you tell us what, what system you moved to we’re at 

Dr Sandra Lee: with Emma?

Emma. M a. Okay. I guess isn’t Electro. I’m familiar with medical. I don’t know. Mod Bed 

Will: is like off, is that like off-brand? 

Dr Sandra Lee: Epic? I think its the competition. Epic and Emma. Oh yeah. [00:43:00] Are the, are the, are the two, um, maybe the main dermatology. Uh, medical records. Oh, it’s probably a dermatology specific thing. Um.

Gotcha. Uh, though they are going, uh, to regular, to medicine as well, so. Um, so, um, cause, you know, well, that’s a whole other subject. That’s a subject you guys discuss. But, uh, what else would I bring? 

Will: Um. Yeah, so you got a water purifier, a shade tent, an assistant. 

Dr Sandra Lee: It’s shaping up pretty well, I gotta say.

You’re doing this right. Yeah, I mean, I’d bring like, I don’t know, various collections of seeds and stuff like that. Maybe I’d bring like a goat or something, like to like, right? 

Will: Yeah, water purifier, shade tent assistant, seeds, and a goat. I love it. It’s great. 

Kristin: Yeah, you think a lot like I do, just the practicalities.

I bet you’re a good emergency 

Will: prepper. Yeah, I do think people would probably be interested though, because I said you couldn’t bring sunscreen. [00:44:00] What? But people are probably going to be upset if I don’t ask you like what your favorite sunscreen 

Dr Sandra Lee: is. Oh, well, I mean, my own sunscreen from my own skincare line, I would say, I mean, we have a really great sunscreen, SLMD skincare.

Yes. But I mean, great type of ingredient in a sunscreen. My favorite thing are probably physical sunscreens. You know, there’s two different types, physical versus chemical. And I think physical is more like a barrier, like back in the day where they put like the. The white on the nose, right? Yeah, yeah. She knows a lot about dermatology, even though she 

Will: She’s all about the skincare.

She’s all about the skincare stuff. She’s on top of it, much better than me. Um, but, you know. That’s the difference between us. We visited Australia for the first time, and I don’t know if you’ve been to that part of the world, but they drill it into their population early, early on. Was it slip slap slop?

Yep, that’s it. [00:45:00] 

Kristin: Something 

Will: like that. I think that’s it. Slip slop slop. There’s two 

Dr Sandra Lee: more that they added. So, uh, that, that lighter complexion is really prone to skin cancer and things like 

Kristin: that. Well, I even noticed like when we were there, we had sunscreen on and hats and we were being really careful about it cause we are very fair.

And uh, at the end of the day, you remember it just, you just felt irradiated, you know, you felt like you had a sunburn even when you didn’t. Maybe we’re closer to the equator so intense. 

Dr Sandra Lee: Right. I think they have like, I guess, by the way, what part of the country? Oh, Portland. 

Kristin: Yeah, Pacific Northwest. Got it.

Yeah, you get the point. A little 

Dr Sandra Lee: different. Rain. Climate. Yes. This suits our skin 

Will: better. Well, my desert island five things. Uh, I wasn’t allowed Wait, yeah, what, you can’t 

Kristin: bring 

Will: Sunscreen. Oh no, sorry. No eye drops. Sunglasses. 


Dr Sandra Lee: can’t bring you sun. Oh, okay. You can’t bring sunglasses, sunglasses, eye drops.

’cause your eyes are getting dried up out there in the deserted eye. 

Will: Deserted eye. Well that wasn’t, that wasn’t a stipulation. In fact, I will be bringing five different types of 

Kristin: eyedrops. [00:46:00] Okay, gotcha. Those are your five things. 

Will: I don’t thi I don’t know if I will survive very long. Uh, you’re much smarter about it than I, than I would be.

And Kristen, you weren’t allowed to bring podcasts. 

Dr Sandra Lee: So, do you guys get what? I wanna hear your answers, . 

Will: What else are you gonna bring? Me? Would you bring 

Kristin: me? No, we’re on different deserted islands. You’re already… Oh, that’s true. It was a good run, but now we’re done. Uh, I would bring my emergency go bag. 

Will: No, that’s true.

Oh, that has everything 

Kristin: you need. It’s got it all. 

Dr Sandra Lee: It’s just one bag. Okay. Yeah, it’s got the purifiers. I bring my house with all the stuff in it. Yeah, there you go. 

Will: Kristen is like, like, maybe two steps below a doomsday prepper. 

Kristin: Oh, yeah, that’s fair. I mean, I have anxiety and it manifests itself. Do you have 

Dr Sandra Lee: like a bunker?

Kristin: That’s the step 

Will: that she has not gone to yet. We’re not at bunker level, uh, doomsday prepping 

Kristin: yet. But I do think through, we’ve got like fire [00:47:00] supplies, we’ve got earthquake supplies. We got all the 

Will: things. All our, all our, uh, sensitive documents in a fireproof, waterproof bag. Right. 

Kristin: Yes. Right. But you know what?

I’m not wrong. You did die in your sleep. See? I did. I did have an issue. I could issue, I could have used an a eed. Yeah. 

Dr Sandra Lee: So’s do you have an a e d? We do now. 

Kristin: Wow. I, I had 

Will: a cardiac arrest back in like 2020. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I could’ve used it at that time, but, oh, you yourself did? I did. You did? Oh, my, my gosh. How scary. Okay.

That would be a reason to have a, a e d. Okay. Yeah. So I’m prepared. You 

Kristin: want me around? 

Will: I do. I make fun. I make fun. You for it. But it’s, it’s, uh,

Dr Sandra Lee: I’m glad that I take her on the desert island. That’s

Kristin: what it you gotta keep 

Dr Sandra Lee: this guy alive. I’m exactly a child you gotta take care of at the same time. Yeah. You gotta feed him and stuff. That’s right. He’s big. He eats a lot. 

Will: That’s true. Um, one, one more question. So I think I heard [00:48:00] someone mention Vizine. No you didn’t. I mentioned eye drops. I swear, I think somebody…

I do have a 

Dr Sandra Lee: question about that, yes. 

Will: Oh, I have a question for you, but you go first. You go first. Well, 

Dr Sandra Lee: I mean every now and then I’ll use Lumify. I know not to use it too much. I feel like you can get a rebound from it or things like that, right? Like you got dependent. Wait, what is 

Will: that? So Lumify is, um, it’s low dose bromonidine, which is a glaucoma medication.

Okay. But it also has a benefit of, of blanching blood vessels. Right. Oh, okay. And so people use it for redness relief. If people are going to use a redness reliever, that’s the one to use. But you 

Dr Sandra Lee: don’t want to overdo it, I feel like, because you can get that rebound that you can get 

Will: with a lot of other, right?

Yes, you rebound, but also you can develop an allergy to it. Oh, that was one of the most common allergy inducing drops that we have now it’s low dose, but still, if we, if you develop an allergy to it, then you got to like stop using it completely. So that’s why I tell people don’t use it sparingly, right?

Right. But visine, clear eyes, those are the redness relievers you stay away from because they’re very strong. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I [00:49:00] didn’t realize that I was like the strongest and that was the most dangerous, but actually stay away from clear eyes. That’s interesting. 

Will: Clear eyes, visine, those. things. Uh, the tetrahydrozoline, which is the vasoconstrictor.

Um, yeah, it, it causes much more issues with rebound hyperemia. 

Dr Sandra Lee: So, so I, um, one time I was with a makeup artist doing some show and she had a bottle of toluidine blue, which is like a blue it’s actually, I think it’s toluidine blue. Maybe it was a different, but it’s a blue dye that we, I recognize cause we use it in dermatology.

To dye some cells. Sometimes when we do a stain, like we look at something under the microscope and I was like, why do you have that on the table? And she said, we use it to, to drop in people’s eyes. ’cause the blue like whitens the eye. Oh no. And I was like freaked out by that. I was like, that’s like a chemical we use in the lab, like with the, the pathology [00:50:00] lab or, or whatnot.

But so you’ve not heard of that. Is that ophthalmologist approved? Oh, it’s not ophthalmologist 

Will: no. No. Definitely not. People, people put all kinds 

Dr Sandra Lee: of I couldn’t believe, I have to look up what that was. I, maybe I’m not saying it right there. It was toluene blue. Cause I just remember it was blue. You know what?

I think I actually have it after. I think I got some. It’s like meth, methylene blue. Uh, I have to go to my, I see my bathroom. I a different thing. I don’t know. I don’t think it’s methylene blue though, but I think I have it over there. I should, I’ll have 

Will: to send you. Crystal violet. That’s the, that’s the uh, graham stain thing.

Dr Sandra Lee: Yes, but it’s a blue, it’s a dark blue dye that, you know, sometimes you know how we’ll put that in our hair, like to color purple to offset if you color your hair. Anyway, but I was shocked to find her using something that I recognize as a lab. Die, um, because I’m sure that also is not proof to put on your, in your, on 

Will: your skin.

Well, what’s the, what’s the thing for you in your world of skincare? What’s the… Yeah, what do people put on their skin? What are people doing that you’re like, that’s like [00:51:00] Visine for me? What is it for you that’s like, you tell people to stop doing? 

Kristin: Not using sunscreen, obviously. Um, 

Dr Sandra Lee: I know there are things, but I…

Triple, triple 

Will: antibiotics that you find? 

Dr Sandra Lee: You know, I… I cringe a little bit at all the people that say, don’t use Neosporin. Like all these people are like dermatologists and don’t you, you know, cause it’s like a shtick now. Like it’s okay to use Neosporin if you’re not allergic to it. Like, you know, it’s not like it’s going to kill you or something, but there’s just a high, a higher percentage of people that are allergic to it.

So I don’t know that, that’s not really what you’re the answer to your question, but I, I can’t think of something right now off the top of my head. Like something that I cringe about. I mean, uh, I mean that they’re, I mean, that they’re talking, she seems pretty resilient. They, to me, and they’re like squeezing their pimples at the same time.

That makes me cringe, cringe. I’m like, stop picking. Like, you know, I’m, I’m not, I, I’m not telling you. Mm-hmm. , don’t pick at your skin while I’m, especially when I’m [00:52:00] talking to you, like, I’m gonna push your hand away, that kind of thing. Something like that. Just stop doing it. Like, let’s not do that. Don’t be that right now while I’m, you know.

So if you were talking to me and then you start going like this, I’d be like, ah, stop. Yeah. Yes. 

Will: This is making me like really feel like I need a skin check. I gotta, I gotta make an appointment. I just, just talking about dermatology. It makes me real. I’m behind. You gotta, 


Dr Sandra Lee: mean, you gotta charge you extra.

You got more surface area, I think. That’s right. 

Will: I need to I need to make an appointment. All right, that’s good. 

Kristin: Yeah, you also still need to see your eye doctor. Oh, 

Dr Sandra Lee: yeah He’s never had an eye exam. Are you a bad doctor? Never. Patient yourself, because I am too. I’m not, I’m not great. I’m really bad. Are you like with me like I’m like tomorrow, maybe I will be able to walk on that foot.

I’ll think it’ll just get better. I know I can’t put any weight on it today, but Tomorrow, it will be better. 

Will: That’s how I am. See, that’s the thing. Like, [00:53:00] to everybody else, to the patients, like, I’m only an expert in eyeballs, but when it comes to my own body, I know everything about it. Yeah, really. And I’m a specialist in every organ system.


Dr Sandra Lee: favorite response 

Kristin: is just, it’s fine. It’s fine. Oh, 

Will: it usually is fine. But, you know, except when it’s not. Yeah. 

Dr Sandra Lee: But anyway. 

Kristin: Yes, he’s the worst patient. Oh, my, do you have 

Dr Sandra Lee: a good answer? I have a really good answer to when I see people out in public or a lot of times with my patients that I’d see like, oh, you’re, you know, I’m your, do you, don’t you like, they’ll say, oh, you know, doctor, it’s not Glock.

Oh, they recognize me. They’ll say like, uh, you know, hi, don’t you recognize me? I said, I said. I’m in my, I don’t know if you, uh, what you say, if you have an answer to that or anything, but I’m always like, Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t recognize you with your clothes on, you know, that kind of thing. I’m always like, that’s a good one.

Yeah. Like, you know, I don’t know if you 

Will: guys do that. Most of my, most of my [00:54:00] patients, when, by the time I walk into the room, their eyes are already dilated and they can’t see anything. So they, are you really 

Dr Sandra Lee: tall too? So that it’s like a noticeable, I am very tall. Yes. Yes. I sneak down in the corners and the.

This is, I’m sure. Yeah. 

Will: But, but you probably do get noticed a lot just out and about, right? I mean, as profile, I mean profile. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I get someone on the TV gonna get noticed. Profile. Yeah. I mean, we get noticed for different, like now I get noticed, not necessarily for, uh, being their doctor, but Yes. But by being Dr.

Pimp Popper, there was a time when I, before the television show, Or when I was just starting, that I would get recognized a lot just because of my voice, which was very weird. Because you would just hear my voice on my social media, you wouldn’t really see me, so they didn’t necessarily know, even if I was male or female, but, well, they’d know I guess because they hear my voice being female, but like, they would, uh, they would recognize me, uh, they would actually…

Hunt me down because of my voice. They would then they would start to track me like I’ve been discovered in airports Like I heard your [00:55:00] voice and I knew you were around here somewhere. Oh my gosh, that’s kind of creepy. Yeah 

Will: That happens to me too. Yeah. Yeah, it’s Because you have all these videos and you’re just narrating and talking and for me i’m talking to myself um, so yeah, sometimes I I you ever 

Dr Sandra Lee: included kristen in his videos you 

Kristin: like play like the I have 

Dr Sandra Lee: played, 

Kristin: no, I have played the, um, OB GYN a couple of times.

Dr Sandra Lee: Yeah. You make her the OB GYN, huh? Okay. Yeah. He was 

Kristin: too scared to touch that one. So. Well, I, 

Will: you know, I don’t know. Literally, yes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I did, I don’t know. I don’t know. That’s cool. It was a good video though. Yeah. People really liked it. So, what other doctors do you want to be? Do you want to be a dermatologist?

Dr Sandra Lee: Yeah. She would be a good dermatologist, other than a pimple popping ass. Yeah. 

Kristin: I’m pretty good at the skincare, but less so the procedures. Yeah. 

Will: Yeah. All right. [00:56:00] Well, we better let Dr. Lee go. Speaking of 

Kristin: skincare, tell us about your, your line. Oh, 

Dr Sandra Lee: I have a skincare line called slmdskincare. com and it’s at billboards, slmdskincare.

com. Sorry about that, but it’s called SLMD skincare because, and it’s a medically based line. And it’s really about. And I think you probably had the same kind of thing, like, what can you do with what you have, right, on social media and these people that are following you and that are interested in your content?

And I just realized I could reach people and really find, you know, the part of this is education and people understanding how to take care of their skin, but then on the other hand, also give them products that can help them with their acne, help them with their keratosis pilaris, help them with the, um, brown spots and things like that.

So it’s really about. medically based. It’s not like necessarily to just make your skin. I mean, it’s gonna make your skin feel good and look good, but you were not like highly anti aging or in a cosmetic. You know, we’re really trying to find people options because there’s a lot of people who can’t see a [00:57:00] dermatologist, right?

They can’t see somebody and they need an answer and they think they know the answer themselves because they’ve watched the videos. They just need some something to use. So that’s what 

Will: we’re really looking for. Can they find that on your website as well? DrPimplePopper. com? Yes, we 

Dr Sandra Lee: have SLMDSKINCARE. com, that’s our website for SLMDSKINCARE.

Uh, and, but I’m sure you can find it at DrPimplePopper. com. We’re all sort of like connected, you know. 

Will: Right, right. And your show is in its, what season? 

Dr Sandra Lee: We are in our, oh my gosh, what is the name? What would it be? Because I, they, we, I think it’s like the eighth or the ninth season now. Oh, wow. It’s been that long.

Yeah. We have had a lot of episodes, so, yeah. Um, yes, it’s, that’s great. It’s, it’s, I think we just finished our season, so we might be raring up for a new one. So check it out. Yes. On. Congratulations 

Will: on all your success. Thank you. Thank you. You by the way. Just for being a positive influence in the, like, medical, thank you.

Uh, social media personality. 

Dr Sandra Lee: I could say the same about you. [00:58:00] So it’s the same thing. So yes. Yeah. We need to band together. There’s , there’s only the two of us. Yes. 

Will: And we’ll, we, we, we won’t let arguments like, uh, who owns Botox get in the way. Well, we 

Dr Sandra Lee: already figured out what answer that. And you can come to my island any time you want some fresh water, so come on by.


Kristin: you go. Love it. You can’t come to mine unless 

Will: you go to hers though. Well thanks again for joining us, it really was a pleasure to talk 

Dr Sandra Lee: with you. Thank you for having me. Take care guys.

Will: All right, let’s take a look at some of our favorite medical stories that were sent in by the listeners. Uh, this one, uh, is anonymous. It says, Hi there. My story happened a few years back. Somehow I got infected with bacteria called Staphylococcus aureus. That doesn’t sound good. Staphylo, staph. 

Kristin: Yeah. Staph infection.

You don’t 

Will: want that. No, no. That’s a bad one. There’s different types of staph. There’s like MRSA. And then there’s regular staff. Anyway, lots of staff. Staff’s everywhere. I had very painful pimples in certain areas like on my [00:59:00] thighs and unfortunately around my intimate area. So I went to the doctor and they helped with the situation around my thighs.

They didn’t know how to ask them to help with the pimples. Elsewhere. Eventually, I mumbled about it, and they checked. There was nothing. No pimple, or anything. Both male nurses were looking at me, at each other, in silence. Basically, I came across as a pervert trying to get some weird action. Doesn’t that 

Kristin: always happen?

Thank you very much for reading. Like, as soon as you… It’s gone. Call an expert about something. Yeah. It’s gone. Exactly. But I can Take your car in and they can’t forget to do the thing. 

Will: Whoever you are though, I can reassure you that you did not come across that way. We see that all the time. Exactly what Kristen just said.

You know. It was there. It’s gone now. It happens with eyes. Honestly, we like that. It’s great as a doctor for someone to come and be like, Oh, I had this horrible thing that was going on. Now it’s better. Awesome. I love it. It makes my job easier because, uh, it’s reassuring to you and to [01:00:00] me that there’s nothing serious going on.

So, yeah, 

Kristin: I like it. Always better to get, you know, err on the side of caution, get it checked out. 

Will: Yes, definitely. Uh, send us your stories, knockknockhigh at human content. com. Thank you for that one. Uh, and thank you for, to Dr. Sandra Lee. Dr. Temple Popple. Popper. 

Kristin: That’s a tongue twister. You remember what a popple?

I had popples. I still do have my popple. My mother… What does it turn into? Saved it. No, it like folds. Yeah, it turns into something. No, it just has like a 

Dr Sandra Lee: little pouch. 

Will: Okay, well I had one that was like a, the, the little animal, but then you turn it inside out. It’s like a basketball. 

Kristin: Oh no, mine was, was all animal.

But it would, it would be able to kind of like fold into itself. I 

Will: guess I just maybe got the fancy type of popple growing up. It’s okay. Some of us had better childhoods than others. Uh, some of us 

Kristin: had more money than others. , so shut up . 

Will: Okay then well, um, it’s, uh, yeah, Dr. Sandra Lee of, of what a fantastic conversation.

[01:01:00] She’s, you know, yes. Just a, she’s fun. She’s so fun and it really is cool what she’s done, um, with, with her, uh, her career and the education that she, she gives to people. And 

Kristin: yeah, I always like it when, when MDs are. on social media or, you know, wherever, on TV, wherever the people are, and they’re actually giving good advice because, you know, unfortunately there have been examples of Physicians, um, kind of compromising their, their ethics in some ways in the entertainment industry.

So it’s always good to see people who are not doing that and are giving good information, good education to the general public about their health and their bodies. 

Will: Exactly. And, um, and definitely, you know, check out her skincare line. That was, uh, S L M D skincare, also at. Dr. Pimple Popper, and at Dr. Sandra Lee on social media.

Um, let’s see. Anything else? Wrap up? What do you think about skin? Are you, [01:02:00] uh, You’re, you’re, you’re into it. You’re into skin care. You, Yeah. You’ve got a whole drawer 

Dr Sandra Lee: full 

Kristin: of things. You’ve got, there’s so much skin, like you said, you have to take good care of it. And it’s your, like, first line of 

Will: defense. I think I need you to, like, teach me.

Well, I’ve tried. I don’t, I don’t, I just don’t do it. I don’t know. Yeah, I can’t 

Kristin: help you. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him apply sunscreen. 

Will: You haven’t, you haven’t led me anywhere. That’s not true. Yeah, I was about to say. I usually do. Alright. Well, um, thank you all for listening. If you have any recommendations for any doctors or healthcare professionals, or honestly, anybody even remotely.

around the healthcare system. We want to talk with them. Yeah. Yeah. We’d love that. Uh, there’s lots of ways to hit us up. Email us, knock, knock high at human content. com. You can visit us on any of the social media platforms. You can hang out with us and our human content podcast family on Instagram and TikTok at human content pods of Instagram is really blowing up these 

Kristin: days.

Yeah, yeah, [01:03:00] I think that’s where I don’t mean I don’t know I don’t want to speak too soon But I kind of feel like that’s where the medical community is migrating after the demise of Twitter. 

Will: Yeah Yeah, I mean it’s still there X, but yes. 

Kristin: Yeah, but I feel like that’s where everybody’s most 

Will: active. I’ve really been enjoying seeing it Yeah, I’m posting all these health care videos on to Instagram and so it’s fun seeing the reaction and And kind of grow, grow in that audience over there.

So yeah, check out, uh, the Instagram. Uh, I’m, I’m at Doc Glock 

Kristin: over there, so don’t fall 

Will: for that. I got all kinds of impersonators, but yep, that’s me, at Doc Glock. Uh, thanks to all the wonderful listeners of this podcast. We’ll stop, stupid social media platforms. Um, thanks to all the wonderful listeners leaving feedback and reviews.

We love that. If you subscribe and comment on your favorite podcasting app or on YouTube, we can give you a shout out, uh, like today at scicamel99. On YouTube said, you should make Ma Glockenflecken a [01:04:00] regularly recurring guest. She’s hilarious. A lot of fantastic feedback about Ma Glockenflecken on the bonus episode we, um, we put out recently.

Kristin: People love her. We knew they would. She, everyone loves 

Will: Ma Glockenflecken. Can you tell she has an accent, everybody? Because she can’t. She can’t, she doesn’t realize. I know. But she, she did an awesome job and we’re definitely going to have her. Yeah. Every time she visits. Probably, we’ll 

Kristin: record a wolf or something.

She’s a good reactor too, maybe we should do some reaction videos with her. Oh yeah. She’s very enthusiastic. 

Will: That’s true, she has, she’s got a big personality, and she’s gonna love hearing this. She’s probably, I’m sure she’s listening to it. Oh yeah. So hi mom. Call your mother. Uh, full video episodes of this podcast are up every week on YouTube at DGlockenflecken.

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