Memory Lane with Pediatric Oncologist Dr. Molly Taylor

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[00:00:00] Knock, 

Dr Molly Taylor: knock,

Will: hi! Knock, knock, hi! Hello and welcome to Knock, Knock, Hi! with the Glocka Plugins! Is that, no? That was very aggressive. Glockenflecken, also known as Will Flannery. I am 

Kristin: Kristen Flannery, also known as Lady Glockenflecken. 

Will: You gotta find a nice balance, right? Not too high, not too low. 

Kristin: Right, you have to find a good 

Will: radio voice.

You know what, at first, when we were doing this, our producers, you know, it’s like, gotta be energetic and excited. You know how hard that is for me sometimes. But sometimes I overdo it. Alright, did I overdo that one? 

Kristin: You know, you seem a little bit, uh, are you drunk? I’m not. 

Will: Okay. I’m just, I’m just happy because we’re talking to one of my…

closest friends, and med school [00:01:00] classmates, Dr. Molly Taylor. She is a pediatric oncologist and researcher at Seattle Children’s and the University of Washington. Um, just all around fantastic human being. Yes, she is. Also just super cool. Yeah. Like confident, and just like, she never seemed… In med school at least, and even 

Kristin: now.

Anytime. I’ve never seen her, like, flustered. Never seemed 

Will: stressed. Yeah. And like going, like, learning the Krebs cycles, like, whatever. It’s fine. Like, it’ll all work itself out, kind of attitude. Yeah, right. Like, man, how does someone do that? 

Kristin: Right. And also… It’s not fair. She’s 

Will: very funny. She’s extremely funny.

Yeah, and by the way, we didn’t talk about this, but I know that she has dabbled in stand up comedy a little 

Kristin: bit. Yes, perhaps inspired by you. I don’t know who came first with the 

Will: stand up. I don’t know. Don’t give me too much credit about any of this stuff. But, um, uh, it’s, we… You know, she, after med school, we went in our separate ways and she went into [00:02:00] pediatrics.

I went into ophthalmology and um, but we ended up in the same region of the country. So we get to see her from time to time, which 


Kristin: nice. Yep. They’re just a drive up the interstate from us. So that’s really nice. Our kids. Have played together now, and it’s all super cool. She married someone, another person from your med school class.

Will: That’s right, which is a very common thing to happen in med school classes. 

Kristin: Yes. You guys had like a really tight knit group of friends. We did. You both are part of that group. But there’s so many other people we could have, 

Will: you know, included. A lot of people 

Kristin: marry each other in med school. Yes, yeah.

Especially when your med school is small and in the middle of nowhere in the 

Will: woods. That’s right. Yeah, yeah, Dartmouth. There’s not a lot of other choices. Hanover, New Hampshire, a population of like, uh, a thousand people. I don’t even know. But then they have Dartmouth College right there, which is like 4, 000.

And then you have the grad school, which is like another 4, 000. Someone’s going to have to 

Kristin: fact check this. He really doesn’t [00:03:00] know these numbers. 

Will: I’m just, I’m just making all of this up. I just know it’s It’s small. It’s very, very small. It’s very 

Kristin: small, and you get to know each other very well, and there’s not a lot to do, and so it’s very, 

Will: very cold.

Now, we say not a lot to do, keep in mind we are city folk. Yeah. Big time. And so, um, not a lot to do. If you ask someone Well, I don’t 

Kristin: know. I came from the middle of nowhere, Texas. Then I went to Lubbock, Texas. Then I went to Hanover, New Hampshire. So I feel like I am qualified to 

Will: say But if you’re asking someone I’m talking about asking someone who like, enjoys being outside and like, camping.

Kristin: That’s fair. Yes. There there are abundant outdoor activities to do. Or like, if you like snow. If you like cross country skiing, hiking, and things like that. But this isn’t a Also, you were in med school and didn’t have time to do those things. That’s 

Will: true. That’s true. Um, but, uh, still, we talk a lot about our experiences, our, uh, stories, and I’ve just kind of scratched the surface, but, uh, we had a lot of fun, have a lot of good memories.

Uh, so should we get to it? [00:04:00] Let’s do it. Here we go. Here is Dr. Mollie Taylor.

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Dr Molly Taylor: not today.

Will: Uh, I think it’s great because, you know, most guests, whenever we, uh, have them come on, they have, [00:05:00] um, all these books in the background or just, uh, you know, Art, beautiful artwork, um, sometimes just a whole bunch of credentials on the wall behind them. So thank you for just having a blank wall. 

Dr Molly Taylor: That’s, that’s really what the people need to see about what it’s really like in academia.


Kristin: She does have the whiteboard. That’s pretty ubiquitous. That’s 

Will: true. You have a whiteboard back there. Um, with a 

Dr Molly Taylor: lot of things I haven’t done. 

Will: Yeah, there you go. It’s your to do list. Uh, you know what? I, I never thought that you would, like, go the academic route. I really wasn’t expecting that. 

Kristin: Yeah, I was surprised, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Not surprised, like, I mean, that makes it sound like we’re insulting her. You are certainly intelligent 

Dr Molly Taylor: enough. It’s like a Missouri, like, backhanded, like, wow. Yeah, exactly. Like, well, good 

Kristin: for you. Bless your 

Dr Molly Taylor: heart. 

Will: You’re just, you’re just so, you [00:06:00] have a personality that’s just so like easy, yeah, and easy to interact with.

It’s like, like perfect for the field that you ended up in, which is pediatric oncology, uh, which is also one of the characters I haven’t had yet in my, 

Dr Molly Taylor: in my skits. I don’t know a lot

Will: of, um, I don’t know how to do that. How to make that funny. 

Dr Molly Taylor: You know what? It’s high risk, um, high reward, maybe. 

Will: I can help you. But you, are you in one of the, are you in one of the largest places in the country for pediatric oncology? Is that? 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah, we’re a big program. Um, so I’m in Seattle, and as part of being in Seattle, we, so our catchment area is, um, is really big.

So, it’s a pretty big program, 

Will: yeah. You get like, uh, Idaho and… We get Idaho. What are the, what are the, what are the states up there? 

Kristin: Oh my gosh, you know, we live in [00:07:00] Oregon. We’re right 

Dr Molly Taylor: here. What are the things? This isn’t a geography show, right? Clearly not. 

Will: Yeah. Well, I knew so one thing I guess I was thinking about and I had I’ve never asked you about is when exactly did you choose Pediatrics as a cause because I know I know that if pediatrics wasn’t gonna work out you would have ended up in ophthalmology, 

Dr Molly Taylor: right?

Well, actually, you know what? I have a little Data, uh, about that. Of course, that’s where the 


Kristin: in. That’s 

Dr Molly Taylor: right. Do you remember that we did a, like a time capsule for what people’s specialties were gonna be back in the 

Will: day? Oh my god, I do, I vaguely remember that, yes. So I had Greg Wait, when did we do this?

When did we do this? 

Dr Molly Taylor: We did it, I think, first year of med school? Where we had people sort of like, as soon as you felt people out what their personalities would be, then we had people 

Kristin: vet? Wait, so this was not like a [00:08:00] class activity. This was just like, you two? Well, 

Will: there’s like a group of us probably. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah, there was a hefty group.

And I, so I have that time capsule, uh, if you want to know what people voted for you. And then I

Kristin: can tell you 

Dr Molly Taylor: what Flannery, uh, yeah, there’s a lot of people, uh, okay. Where is F in the alphabet? 

Kristin: We don’t know states! We don’t know our alphabet! This 

Dr Molly Taylor: is what happens when you sub specialize. She’s in research, everyone. Okay, here we go, here we go. Okay. So, here are the votes for you. Okay. Uh, diagnostic radiology.

Otolaryngology, Internal Medicine, Ophthalmology, Internal Medicine, and then a string of like six ophthalmologies, so I feel like people were cheating on each other. [00:09:00] Uh, TikTok sensation, uh, Radiology, and Internal Medicine. 

Kristin: Amazing. Someone predicted the existence of TikTok. 

Will: Wow. Eight years before TikTok existed.

Uh. What about 

Dr Molly Taylor: you? So I, you know, I actually don’t know how to feel about this, but people, uh, family medicine, public health, which is just like maybe not being a doctor, internal medicine, pediatrics, urology. And then a lot of family medicines and psychiatry. 

Kristin: Okay. So with both of you, there was something even from the beginning that was like sort of in the right direction.


Will: What took people off to me being an ophthalmologist? I don’t know. That’s surprising. Otolaryngology, that’s, I mean, I would never specialize in the second, third, and fourth most important human senses. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Who does the grossest surgeries? Yeah, we’ll, we’ll do that. Yeah, that’s terrible. Well, [00:10:00] sure, yeah. I don’t remember 

Kristin: you…

Family medicine first year, that makes sense, that that’s what people may have pegged you for. Always like some sort of like kid thing, right? Like it’s in 

Dr Molly Taylor: the mix. Yeah, I think I was goofy. 

Will: Yeah, 

Kristin: yeah. Well, and you babysat! No, no, no. You babysat, like, all the faculty’s 

Dr Molly Taylor: children. I did. That’s true. Including yours.

So I feel like that. 

Kristin: Well, yeah, we weren’t faculty. By the 

Will: way, for any med students listening, like, there’s this, there’s a little, like, racket you can really start doing, and this is great. Molly would, um, get in good with all these different faculty that, you know, they’re all, like, later career, mid career, later career, so they’ve got a lot of money.

And they’re, they’ve got nice houses and, and Molly is very personable and, uh, would get to the point where she could house sit. 

Kristin: Yeah, [00:11:00] house sit, baby sit, pet sit, water your plants. Yeah. 

Will: Oh yeah. So, so basically, you get to escape the squalor of your normal life. Exactly. Right? Yeah. As a med student. Exactly.

And you get to live large in these giant 

Dr Molly Taylor: houses. And then invite your friends over. Be like, where are you living tonight? Well, I don’t know. Let’s see. 

Will: You did that all the time, I was so jealous of that, but I was never able to make friends that easily, so. 

Kristin: Yeah, which I think is why people pegged you for Diagnostic Radiologist.

That’s probably true. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Alone in a dark room. 

Kristin: Yeah, that would be a good fit for Will, yeah. Well, we’re gonna, we’re gonna You know what? It’s a light room, but you did end up being alone in a room 

Will: for most of your career. Just recording myself, alone, by myself. Well, we’re going to, we’re going to get to some med school stories, uh, for sure.

Um, but before that, I want to talk a little bit about your experience in resident and just training during a residency fellowship, uh, because you [00:12:00] decided you wanted to be like training for ever, ever. Um, because the thing that happens is we’re all so close in med school. And like we spent all this time together, and then we leave, and we just never talk to each other for like a decade.

Dr Molly Taylor: Until you’re on somebody’s podcast, and you’re like, oh, hey, it’s good 

Will: to see you. Yeah, I remember you. And it’s, it’s, it’s because we’re all in different parts of the country, uh, and also insanely busy. You know, trying to put our careers together and have start families and we start families. And it’s just such a med school, such a unique time because some people are married and they come in, uh, or attached to people.

Um, and, uh, um, but, but But for the most part, like, you know, where it’s kind of an extension of college in a lot of ways, but, uh, residency and fellowship and early years, you know, in our, in our big grownup [00:13:00] jobs, um, is totally different. So, uh, I, I haven’t gotten to hear a whole lot of stories about you from your kind of residency intern years.

You shared a couple of them with us. Well, she 

Kristin: disappeared to Alaska. Right? At 

Dr Molly Taylor: some point. That’s the best way to lose touch with people. Yeah, just 

Will: go. Go to Alaska for a while. That was after she was in… That was after 

Kristin: residency. See, I’m just proving your point. You’re like, I don’t know where that person lives anymore.

You guys are both 

Dr Molly Taylor: right, which I feel like is something I’m going to say a lot during this podcast. You both are right. There you go. 

Will: Tell us about your intern year. Um, you got a couple good, good ones here. Yeah, 

Dr Molly Taylor: well, we actually, um, remember we were in the same city for our intern years. We were in Chicago.

Will: Oh, that’s right. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Oh, that’s right. You remember that. Yes, I do. Different [00:14:00] parts of town, but you are also being like a surgeon. During that year, so that was hard. Yeah. And we had 

Kristin: a, we had a, A one YEAROLD at that time in that year. My, my 

Will: intern year. Mm-hmm. . Yeah. What was busy was that we had a one-year-old and I was living like an hour and a half away.

An hour and half outside of the city. Yeah. Uh, but no, my intern year was, oh, was, you could barely call it an intern year. So people, 

Kristin: how you got. What was your commute that year? 

Will: Oh, yeah, my commute. So, so this is in Chicago and There’s a town called Crystal Lake Which is as far as the commuter train will go for the most part.

Mm hmm out northwest 

Kristin: The hospital is downtown, right? 

Will: Well, not almost but anyway, we didn’t live in Crystal Lake We lived in McHenry, which was about a 20 minute drive beyond Crystal Lake. So it’s 

Kristin: like the last suburb before the farm. 

Will: So, so at, so at four o’clock in the morning, every day, I would drive to the Crystal Lake train station.[00:15:00] 

I would take the train. So it’s a car to train, car to train. And then at the train station, I had to get off. There I left a bike like a really like a like a crappy 

Kristin: bike 

Will: Schwinn like from like the 1980s I left it at the bike rack there and then I would ride my bike a mile and a half to the hospital 

Dr Molly Taylor: like Paving the snow out of the way.

Kristin: Yes, yes, and he did it 

Will: all winter. A couple times some like people felt sorry for me. They offered me like a six foot four Dude, like they felt so bad That they offered me a ride as a stranger. They didn’t know I was very fortunate for that saved my life probably a couple times but um, uh, and so that was my commute every day and we did it all just to save Money a few bucks.

Yeah. Well, I mean we saved a lot of money, 

Kristin: but oh, you mean we lived so far away Yes, we lived with my parents for [00:16:00] that year Yes, well, I 

Dr Molly Taylor: also live with family in Chicago, but if they were like in the city, you remember I would wait 

Will: Yeah, yeah, let’s not talk about that’s how yeah, you had a much nicer little 

Dr Molly Taylor: Course breakfast

We were much closer to my hospital, so I did not walk uphill both ways. Uh, yeah, I 

Will: think we intersected a little bit. Yes. We intersected a little bit. We saw each other maybe once or twice, but for the most part, we might as well have been in different parts of the country. And, uh, just like everybody who goes, you know, through medical training, we all had our embarrassing moments, right?

Mm hmm. Intern year, learning how to, you know, be an independent doctor. Uh huh. Um, so give me one of those. Oh, 

Dr Molly Taylor: so many. But I feel like, so, the field of pediatrics… It’s, uh, it’s just like, there should be like, people who specialize before [00:17:00] they have children and people who specialize after they have children, because I heard like, the number of times that I would like, quote something to parents that I had like, read in a book the day before that is so wildly different from what it’s like in real life, um.

Like, just so many of those that I have now learned the hard way with the two kids, but I remember distinctly also, like, I’m like kind of a warm person. I really want, like, I give a lot of people hugs, um, and so when I was in the newborn nursery, um, which is, you know, a place for, you know, term babies who don’t have any medical problems.

Um, but you just go, you know, check their. Billy Reuben, make sure that their, you know, belly button looks good, like whatever else you’re doing. Uh, give a little boop on the belly button. 

Will: You lose a lot of knowledge being in research, obviously. It kind of goes quick, doesn’t it, Molly? What 

Dr Molly Taylor: else [00:18:00] happens? Look for Co Arc.

I remember that. You know, those sorts of things, but I also loved like, just like helping these new parents sort of get acclimated to their new baby. And I remember one time and like, asterisk, in my defense, it was very dark in those rooms. But I went into like a postpartum room. I had the baby who had been in the nursery and like, just kind of tapped the mom on the shoulder and I was like, Hey, here’s your baby.

And she looked at me and looked at the baby and she was like, Oh no, I can’t. And I was like, I can help you. I have been a doctor. for six weeks. Here, let me show you how to hold the baby. People get nervous. It’s okay. It’s okay. She looked at me and looked at the baby. She was like, I’m, I’m sorry. I just, I can’t.

And I even went as far to be like, here, I’ll put the baby in your arms. And then eventually she was like, that’s not my baby.[00:19:00] 

And then I looked at 

Will: her. You’re crazy doctors, what are you doing? 

Dr Molly Taylor: I looked at the baby’s name band, I looked at her name band, and I was like, You are right. I will be right.

So that’s lesson number one. Make sure it is the correct baby. And then you can work on, you know, latching and bonding with that baby. We run a different kind of nursery here, everybody kind of takes turns. 

Will: That’s when you look at that mom and be like, It takes a village.

Dr Molly Taylor: It takes a village. Uh huh. Uh 

Will: huh. I love it. Oh, that’s so good. And this is, this is in, uh, the University of Chicago, is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that was, that’s good. You know, it, it’s the awkwardness The awkwardness is, is so fun to like, like, in [00:20:00] the moment it’s frightening, right? It’s like, Oh my God, how, who let me become a doctor kind of, kind of thinking.

Um, but it’s, it’s those, those awkward stories that are great. I remember, um, when I was a resident, we had, you know, med students come through the ophthalmology. Uh, department and we were in pediatrics and there was a med student who was clearly very, very nervous to like be there. You know, kids are scary enough, uh, you know, whenever you’re, you haven’t interacted with a lot of kids, but then kid eyeballs, it’s like two things that no one knows anything about.

Uh huh. Um, and I remember like this really nervous med student, uh, uh, you know, came into the room and I said, Oh, this is the, the, this is our med student and I forgot his name. And, um, He is in his little nervous voice, he went up to the four year old and said, Hello, sir. How are you? And tried to shake the four year old’s hand.[00:21:00] 

And that, uh, One of my favorite moments from my time. Hello, sir. How often does that work? Is that how you’re introducing yourself? 

Dr Molly Taylor: To the newborns. 

Will: Good morning, 

Dr Molly Taylor: ma’am. Very formal. That’s how they respond best. I mean it is, it’s like, it’s so fun, like pediatrics is so fun, especially because you get to, you know, like enjoy all of the different developmental stages and like, you know, the like Todd, like the three, four, five year old age where they’re starting to become verbal and really like let you into like what kind of crazy ideas are going on in there.

There was also, uh, when I was in clinic as an intern, another very humbling moment, uh, where a mom brought her three year old in and she was just like, I don’t know, I think he’s got a urinary tract infection. He is just like pulling at his [00:22:00] diaper, pulling at his underwear, saying it hurts, it really, really hurts.

And I was like, okay, well, this is something maybe I could, you know, we can get a UA, we can like really sort this out. Uh, and then the three year old after I was like, I was like, hello, sir. What seems to be the problem here? And he just looks at me and his mom and goes, I don’t know, but it kind of feels like I got a bone in there.

We looked at each other and we’re like, mystery solved.

And she was like, that’ll be all today. Oh, thank you. What is 

Kristin: the billing code for that situation? Yeah, 

Will: seriously, how do you, what do you, what’s the diagnostic code for that one? Oh, I love it. That’s great. And then also, um, adolescence. Like, that’s, there’s, there’s probably, I’m sure you have so many [00:23:00] funny, quirky, unique stories from your time there.

And you do, you do. Just having 

Kristin: to navigate that. Yeah, exactly. You know, like, these, this patient feels very awkward because they are, they are awkward right now. We all are. Yeah. And now I feel awkward because I have to talk about these awkward things with this person. Uh 

Dr Molly Taylor: huh, 

Will: uh huh. And, um, and I, I want you to share the story that you, you had, you, uh, told us about this, um, uh, This little young adolescent child.

Dr Molly Taylor: I, I do love adolescents for like the reason that you said, like they’re both, they’re so endearing and so awkward. And like, they really just sort of bring out your own, like, sense of awkwardness. But, you know, a lot of what I do in my current job, um, is talk about fertility preservation for, um, teenagers before we’re going to start any kind of cancer treatment.

Um, And, you know, we have a wonderful AYA program. And so I think that there’s a lot more focus [00:24:00] on fertility preservation than there used to be. Um, but, 

Will: you know, back in What is, what is AYA? Can you tell people what AYA is? Adolescent 

Dr Molly Taylor: and young adult, sorry. Yeah. Um, so, you know. Kids, teenagers, 15 to 39 who get diagnosed with cancer.

Um, and so now, you know something about that. I’m one of those. You’re 

Will: that guy. A little older, you wouldn’t have, you wouldn’t have treated me though. No, I could have. As 

Kristin: a pediatrician. That would have been awkward in medical school if she had asked you about your fertility preservation options. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Excuse me, sir.

Sir. Uh. But these conversations about fertility preservation are super important, as you guys know, and also, usually there’s like some element of awkwardness. And so, you know, when they would send people in on their own to do this without our Onco Fertility Program, they would just sort of be like, hey.

We’re gonna talk about sex, drugs, and rock and roll a little bit, and I know that you’re 12, and so the idea of having kids is really [00:25:00] gross to you right now, but we need to talk about it. Uh, and then used for, for boys, you know, we talked about, you know, sperm banking, and a prerequisite for sperm ba banking is being able to ejaculate normally, and, uh, you know, despite the number of kids who are like, Yeah, I can do that

So like sometimes things don’t go perfectly to plan. Um, you know, like I can imagine we had a, uh, I think he was 15, who was uh, very confident overconfident in his ability to bank sperm. And he just sort of like coily handed over his urine, urine specimen cup, which was actually full of urine and not semen.


Will: sorry, bud. That was his understanding. Yeah. So let’s 

Kristin: back up. Let’s talk about the birth. You really 

Dr Molly Taylor: have to be direct about what you [00:26:00] mean. Oh, yeah. And I also, I had another patient who was sent to sperm bank, uh, with a Foley catheter. Still in place. And, um, he had some questions. That’s right. I would imagine.

Kristin: As he 

Will: should. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Exactly. He was like, this is probably advanced sperm banking or something. Some newfangled way

Will: to get this. Nope. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Nope, it’s just… Just, just a new, you need to get see up. You gotta get that out. Oh, man. . 

Will: So, yeah. Yeah. I gotta say, um, sperm banking was one of the more, uh, interesting experiences Yeah. That I’ve had as a patient. Um, mainly, 

Kristin: well, you had, yours was under, um, unusual circumstances, I feel like, well, when I 

Will: did it, so I was in residency and like, I literally, I, I left work.

Uh, which our clinic was connected to the hospital. So I, I finished morning [00:27:00] clinic, I walked to like three departments down the hall and I bank sperm and then went back to work, which, which really just threw up, threw off my day. It was, it was very, this is a very strange experience, uh, take the day off from work if you’re gonna be doing that kind of thing.

Um, but what, what, what I didn’t realize was it’s like. you have decisions you have to make because this might be your only genetic material that you’re that you have left in the world and so I like all all the forms you sign is like do you want to split your sperm sample into two different samples and put them on two different trucks to get to the 

Kristin: freezer 

Dr Molly Taylor: or whatever yeah because it’s like an accident 

Will: happens or something yeah 

Kristin: it’s like you know british royalty they can’t travel together in case the plane goes 

Will: down just in case Just in case the sperm truck, uh, you know, turns over, rolls over, and there’s a big sperm accident on the highway.

What [00:28:00] 

Dr Molly Taylor: a disaster That would make the news, I think. It would. It 

Will: probably would. And so like those, it’s like those weird decisions, and then, um, I don’t know, there’s so much about it that I think is so funny and fascinating, like, to, to destroy the sample, do you gotta do, Molly? To destroy? Hmm. Hmm. A sample, you have to get a form notarized, which means I had to go to like FedEx and like me and this FedEx, poor FedEx worker, we had to both sign my, my, my, my sperm destruction 

Kristin: form.


Dr Molly Taylor: the deal. A lot of power in those FedEx workers. 

Will: I can’t think of a better person to have those types of conversations with than, than, than you Molly. I think, uh. You bring a little levity to it. Yeah, 

Dr Molly Taylor: the key is actually you have to turn your chair around backwards and sit 

Kristin: on it to have that. That is a little more informal.

Dr Molly Taylor: Right. Totally. That’s how you really… That’s good. We’re casual. We’re cool. Super cool. Yeah. 

Will: Well, let’s, let’s take a, [00:29:00] let’s take a short break and we’ll come back and, uh, let’s talk med school. So I’ll be right back with Dr. Dr. Molly Taylor.

Uh, hey Kristen, what do you got there? Oh 

Kristin: this? Oh well you may not know this as an ophthalmologist, but uh, this is called a 

Will: stethoscope. Yeah, I know what a stethoscope is. I also know it’s supposed to go in your ears and not sitting on top of your headphones. 

Kristin: No, I like it better this way. Besides, this is not just any stethoscope.

This is the EchoCore 500 digital stethoscope with 

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All right, we are back with Dr. Molly Taylor. Uh, and you know, we’ve already mentioned that we, we met in med school, uh, [00:31:00] first year of med school, which was in 2008. Uh, and, uh, how, see, how old were, we were, what, 20? You’re a year older than me. So young. Well, 

Kristin: Yeah, 23, 24. We were 22, we were 23. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah, yeah, just so so 

Will: yeah, so young

And and so there’s just so many things stories that we could we could talk about We’re gonna get to some of those when we play this game that I I have devised for us here in a second, but one thing in particular that I think you thought was, was, was interesting and fun was when we, um, we started learning things about all of our classmates, right?

I remember this. We were in the lecture hall and we had somebody kind of, basically it was just like he had like all of our applications and just chose like two things about each person. 

Kristin: Well, cause [00:32:00] you guys had kind of a smaller class, right? So you could do something like that. Like if you’re in a… 300 people class or something.

That would take forever. Yeah, yeah, our class 

Will: was like 70, 70 people. So it was small. Yeah. It was a small class. It really helped us get to know each other. But do you remember at all, like, what, what your things were? Yeah. 

Dr Molly Taylor: I mean, I do. Like, I remember him reading out this, like, list of accomplishments and you like look around and you’re like, oh, who’s that person who’s like super awesome?

Uh, and, uh, yeah. You know, sometimes I’d be like, and this person, like, was a world record cannoli eater and like, uh, which I think is a real one. 

Will: My, we had, we had opera singers. We had, we had all, all kinds of an actor, like a professional actor. And I forgot about all that. Exactly. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah. Somebody who like, who rode his bike.

From, like, Florida to New Hampshire. That’s right. Yeah. Oh yes, 

Will: absolutely. To, like, someone in my grad school class. Not because it’s a hobby, just because he was, like, coming to school. 

Dr Molly Taylor: He’s been in the military and he was [00:33:00] like, and then I just carried my bike for the last 10 miles. 

Kristin: Someone in my class hiked to grad school from, really, Georgia to New Hampshire because there was the Appalachian Trail, you know, so people would do that.

So I bet that biker was, 

Will: yeah, again, just because we had no money and no cars.

Dr Molly Taylor: Mine was I think, uh, I had spoken at the UN so they just threw that in there. Fancy! Yeah 

Will: and then, and then so after reading all these amazing accomplishments he got to me which was, uh, I did stand up comedy and played ultimate frisbee. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yep. 

Will: Like I, like talk about imposter syndrome. Activated. I think mine’s the only imposter syndrome 

Kristin: that’s warranted.

This one begged us. to be here. His accomplishments include telling some jokes or something. 

Will: I really do think I was the last person admitted to our med school class. I really think I was. I found out like [00:34:00] two weeks before classes start. We got an 

Kristin: extra spot here. Do you remember Student Doctor Network? We were stalking Student Doctor Network.

To see, because, you know, people would talk about where they got accepted and where they decided to go and all of these things. And so there was one person on there who had been accepted to your class at Dartmouth and was on the fence about that versus some other program. And you were like, go somewhere else.

Will: And so they were Like, what are you doing? Like, you

Dr Molly Taylor: to think about it. Yeah. 

Kristin: And then they… So then they posted that they had decided not to go to Dartmouth. So, you know, we didn’t want to get our hopes up or anything, but we were like, oh my gosh. And then, I don’t know, a couple days later or something, he got the call that he got the spot. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Because you got in, you had already decided, Kristen, before.


Kristin: So. Because our application cycles didn’t match up and you guys have to apply like way earlier than we do. So by the time he had applied, by the [00:35:00] time I was applying to grad school, it was much later. So then he applied once we knew I was applying. Yeah. But by then, a lot of the spots had already been filled because it was so late in your cycle.


Will: the reason I went to Dartmouth. Why the hell did you go there? Okay, I’m going to tell you. 

Dr Molly Taylor: What are you doing? I’m going to tell you exactly why. I never thought about that. Yeah. Two, two key features of Dartmouth. One was when I interviewed there, it was winter time and I, you know, they have you stay with other students.

And so I was like staying in this like log cabin. And somebody skied down the street into the said log cabin and then made me a chocolate lava cake. I was like, this is the kind of place I want to be. Uh, and then number two 

Kristin: is, you know, chocolate lava cake is like everywhere, right? Well, I did not know at 

Dr Molly Taylor: the time.

Uh, and the number two was I could actually get around Hanover. I have [00:36:00] all three blocks, horrible sense of direction, but I was like, I won’t get lost here and I’ll eat some chocolate cake. Just stay out of the woods. Sign me up. 

Will: See, sometimes everybody, sometimes it’s that easy. Admissions directors just learn from this.

All right. Mm hmm. Some kind of skiing into lava cake. Yeah, you can get some high quality 

Kristin: Students. Did you even do any skiing while we were there? She did. I remember 

Will: you skiing, snowboarding. 

Kristin: Yeah, I definitely 

Dr Molly Taylor: did. Oh, yeah, you snowboarded. Yeah, I did. There were definitely, I mean people who came from Warmer climates, uh.

Yes, I did not ski. A couple, our friend from Oklahoma who we took skiing and he went skiing in jeans. Well, so did 

Kristin: you. 

Will: I wasn’t in jeans. No? 

Kristin: I was in sweatpants. Okay, even worse. 

Will: More absorbent. No, no, no. Sweatpants are slightly better. And more range of movement. [00:37:00] And 

Dr Molly Taylor: just like coming down the hill in like frozen, crispy pants.

I think they went down the 

Kristin: bunny slope one time. Yeah. And then they were like, that was good, we’ll call it a day. Yeah, I did it. Your ski fell off. I think. 

Will: It did. I tried to, yeah, I tried to get on the ski lift and both my skis fell off. I was on the chair and then the chair behind me had my skis. I was like, how is this going to happen?

Dr Molly Taylor: I just feel like Texan, uh, sorry. 

Will: All right, let’s, let’s, I want to play this game. It’s called Was It Helpful? Was it helpful? So what we’re going to do, I came up with a list of things that we experienced in med school, and we are, um, our only goal of the game is to determine was that thing helpful 

Kristin: for your future careers 

Will: in whatever respect you want to interpret that, was that thing helpful?

Okay. Here’s the first one. Our financial advisor throwing ramen packets at us during orientation. Was [00:38:00] that helpful? 

Dr Molly Taylor: For me, no. 

Will: So just so everyone knows, this was an orientation lecture. He was asking, like, financial kinds of questions, and if you got the right answer, you were rewarded with a ramen packet as a lesson to always be eatin ramen.

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah, what’s the acronym there? A B E R. Yeah, A B E R.

Will: So that was, I agree, that was not helpful, um, now just knowing that we were all about to go into extraordinary amounts of debt. Correct. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Although, like… Um, maybe an alternative answer would be yes, it was helpful because it gave you some material, right? It gave you some comedic material. Also, a meal. It gave you a meal.

Right. Exactly. It’s also, yeah, a very effective [00:39:00] way to raise your blood pressure, so if you need that. 

Will: So we’re, we’re 10 years, how are you doing on loans? How’s it going? 

Dr Molly Taylor: Okay 

Will: You’re managing you’re getting by well, we’re 

Dr Molly Taylor: very close to like the tenure like 

Will: oh you’re doing the the forgiveness

Dr Molly Taylor: My dear sweet husband also a fellow classmate who wanted me to say he’s I’m really upset. He’s not here today.

Him and my mom. My mom was like, I was supposed to be on that podcast. So she’s waiting by the phone. 

Will: Next time. 

Kristin: Next time. Sorry, 

Dr Molly Taylor: Gigi. A separate episode. 

Will: Gitcha, congratulations on that. That’s good. That’s gonna be a huge… Yeah, 

Kristin: huge benefit. I wish you’d done that. 

Will: Uh, no, I don’t think you do.

I’d be [00:40:00] in a, uh, if so, I would be in a blank office, uh, surrounded by white walls. All right. All right. Here’s another one. Okay. Um, the ritualistic burning of class notes in a bonfire at the end of med school. Was that helpful? Yes. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Very helpful. Yeah. I agree. 

Will: Very cathartic. Yeah. That was nice. We all, we had this huge bonfire and we all threw, some people threw their white coats.

Yeah. I chose not to do that because I obviously needed it in my TikToks like 10 years later. Did you burn your white coat? 

Dr Molly Taylor: No, we still have both of ours. We were like, we’re packing up to move and like pulled it out of a box and there’s some like. Weird stains on it that like, oh, so we just put it right back in the box at that point.

That was like very, like, [00:41:00] it’s a good closure to that, to whatever chapter we were on. Then that meant that you could also just forget everything that you just 

Will: learned. Right. Yeah, that was 

Kristin: the best part. I saw that happen in real time. 

Will: Okay, here’s one. Going to class. Just in general, 

Dr Molly Taylor: was that helpful? Yes, for me.

Will: Yes. In hindsight, I would say no. I don’t, I think, I think I just didn’t learn as 

Kristin: well. You, um, how to say this. I need repetition. Well, and also, you don’t like people. Well, You prefer to learn on your own, in your own way, and class is not that. Yeah, people have different learning styles. That’s 

Will: true. Yeah, group projects are tough for me.

I’m dying inside doing this group project, no, I’m just 

Dr Molly Taylor: kidding. I feel like [00:42:00] we did some of 

Will: that. We did a little bit of that. Uh, yes, yes, and I hated every single second of it. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Well, there was the like, cause you have, um, a unique head of hair. And I feel like there was this one time where we went to go like meet up in the library and there was some guy sitting down, I just saw like a big curly head of hair.

And so, like I did a very normal thing and like snuck up to him and just went.

I thought it was you! I don’t know! Some undergrad terrifyingly turns around. Um, and I was like, Welcome to Dartmouth! Oh my god! That was the first day. Right. 

Will: Turns out there are other people that have my hairstyle. Amazing. 

Dr Molly Taylor: I should have known you were into the library.

Will: Um, okay. All right. Here’s another [00:43:00] one. Learning how to do a gram stain.

Was that 

Dr Molly Taylor: helpful? 

Kristin: Not helpful. 

Will: Not helpful. Not helpful. I agree. Yeah. We actually, physically, like, we, like, were in the lab and we had a day where we just learned how to do a gram stain. Now, like, why did we do that, Molly? 

Kristin: Maybe the pathologists among you would… No. No. Like, it’s like… Not even them. 

Will: Oh, maybe them.

Maybe them. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Um, yeah, I mean… In my current job, sometimes I do look under the microscope at slides of cells, but I don’t gram stain any of them. So… You don’t do that yourself? 

Kristin: Okay. Again, that is what undergrads are for. Yeah. Exactly. Which is probably really why you were doing 

Dr Molly Taylor: it. Exactly. Exactly. 

Will: Uh, let’s see.

Um, [00:44:00] okay. A couple more. Um… Well, here’s one. Uh, a scored step one score. Ooh. Like a numeric step one score. Yeah, hot, 

Dr Molly Taylor: hot topic. Uh, uh, yes. Because that is how my husband and I figure out who is superior.

Kristin: Still, to this day, both of you have forgotten all of it. 

Dr Molly Taylor: We actually made a vow. It was like one of our wedding vows that we would never look at each other’s steplit scars. It’s so weird. 

Will: It’s You know, it’s interesting like for so at first I was like, oh, this is a great because I remember how like awful like the Anxiety surrounding like how well you do on step one, especially like I wanted to do ophthalmology It’s like I know I got a score like really high on this test and so My answer nor like would have been no stored scored step one wasn’t helpful because it just made me crazy [00:45:00] but now Hearing about, like, students experience with, like, admissions and going to residency, all that anxiety is now just transferred to Step 2.

Yeah, yeah. And now they’re, like, in the middle of clinical rotations, and having to, like, score really high on Step 2. So I don’t, I don’t even know what to do. I don’t even know what the right answer is. Yeah, 

Dr Molly Taylor: but I, I mean, and we, our testing center was, like, I don’t know where you took it, but it was like in the middle of New Hampshire somewhere like, oh yeah, we 

Will: had to drive like an hour.


Dr Molly Taylor: Super. It was con, it was concrete. It was Concord. Yeah. Well, whatev wherever I was. I remember there was like a motorcycle rally, like maybe like a 48 hour long motorcycle rally right outside the door. So I hadn’t slept. Yeah. For like three days. Oh my God. And I remember like, this score is gonna determine my life.

So, you know. Motorcycles and all. Let’s do it. 

Will: Alright, here’s one. Opening your match day envelope in front of hundreds of people. [00:46:00] Okay. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Was 

Will: that helpful? I think I know the answer to that. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Oh my god. Not helpful. You know. I

Will: think people would be surprised to learn. Before you, I know you have a story to tell there. But before we get into that. People are, I think, are often surprised when I tell them this. Like the way it worked at our school was there was an auditorium full of people and every student individually. Again, it was a small class.

Individually, all 80 of us would, one by one, go up and open our envelope, learning for the first time where we were matching in front of everybody. 

Kristin: And, and not only your… You’re seeing it, but then you say it to everybody. Uh huh. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Or just throw up. Or you throw up. Yes. 

Will: Exactly. That’s the other option. So tell, 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah.

And like, uh, I don’t know why. We, we watched our match day video, like have them all on our phones now, but you would [00:47:00] also put a dollar in, remember the fishbowl? 

Kristin: Yeah, I remember the dollar. And then whoever was at the end 

Dr Molly Taylor: got to like, have all the money. Um, but I did not match at my first choice. To be honest.

And I think that this is probably something that like deserves a little bit more transparency. You know, like a lot of people say, ah, Nash first choice. Yada, yada, yada. Um, but for me, the match worked, you know, I wanted to be out in Seattle for my intern year and then matched in Chicago, which actually ended up being like the perfect place for me and I was.

Devastated after match day, actually. And I remember our, like, sweet Dean knew where I wanted to be. Like, she had, you know, found out the night before and so put my name at the very, very bottom so that I would get that crazy email before my name got called. So she was, like, being so kind. So I read the email and then I [00:48:00] think I ran away like 

Will: You did.

You did. Yeah. You’re like, where Holly 

Dr Molly Taylor: go ran. Whats wrong? Because I, you know, like all of us in medicine and like in sort of these high performing academic environments, like, we’re so used to like every step along the way, like things going exactly to plan and like having these sort of external like markers of success and, and so like, Having something feel like a failure and like a very public failure because you know what that everybody knows or everybody wants to go especially in like a small class and get my now husband who is an intern out in Seattle had like Like traded away his life to be able to like get a red eye and fly out to New Hampshire to surprise me like it was just like It’s like, very, like, emotional, so I ran away.

Kristin: That was double layered, right? Like, you had, you wanted to be there at that program, but you also wanted to be there because that’s where, yeah, your now husband was at the time. So it was [00:49:00] like… Like a delayed couple’s match, but gone wrong, you know? 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah. So I had like a good long cry in the shower and then, then went to In front of everyone.

That’s also part of the ritual. Here’s the crying shower and here’s the fishbowl of money. Um, 

Will: and then Do you remember? Yeah, go 

Dr Molly Taylor: ahead. Sorry. But then we had all these awesome match day parties and. 

Will: Yes, that was, that was, made you feel better. Yeah, made me 

Dr Molly Taylor: feel something. 

Will: Do you, do you remember though, um, the, the walk up music?

Kristin: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, you all had to choose a song. So we all chose a song. To represent yourselves as you went up there. 

Will: When they would call your name, the song would play for like 15 seconds as you’re like walking up to the microphone to open your envelope. Do you remember the song you chose? 

Dr Molly Taylor: Um, you know there was a lot of…

Adrenaline. Probably [00:50:00] not. I’m probably like running away. They don’t, did they just like play my song after I have left? 

Will: Yeah, exactly. Uh, no. I don’t. Oh, I 

Kristin: went to another one, Bites the default.

Dr Molly Taylor: Some really sad string music. Sadness. 

Will: Do you remember, do you remember what I chose? Yeah, we worked on it because I remember it like working on it with you. Yeah, it was a really 

Kristin: big topic of discussion for 

Will: several days. It was a big topic of discussion. I recorded myself narrating myself walking up to the front of the auditorium.

Kristin: Because of course you 

Will: did. I was singing acapella and I tried to find this actually, but I can never find this recording again. Um. I sang acapella, a song about me walking up to the front of the auditorium. That’s, that’s what it was. That’s actually very 

Dr Molly Taylor: funny. That’s good job. 

Kristin: Is it though? [00:51:00] 

Will: It was great, Kristen.

It was amazing. 

Kristin: In retrospect, a lot of things are really clicking into place. Uh, we

Will: won’t even get into the skits. Uh, that was a whole other thing. We’re not? Let’s see. Oh, no, not, well, that’s maybe a whole, hey, we don’t have time for that. That’s a whole nother podcast episode. Um. You 

Kristin: should bring, you need to bring Dave on for that 

Dr Molly Taylor: discussion. Yes. That will be a hotly debated topic.

Absolutely. I think before I left the house this morning, Dave was like, make sure Will and Kristen know that I was in charge of skit. Just to fuel the, just 

Will: to fuel the fire. For the record, Molly, tell Dave, your wonderful husband, that he was not in charge of my kids. He had very little to do with them.

Kristin: This is gonna be on your guys tombstones. [00:52:00] It was me in charge of med school. 

Dr Molly Taylor: It was me, yeah. 

Will: Alright, do you have any other, like, was it helpful? Oh gosh. Molly, do you have any other, was it helpful? Our, our, oh, our post quiz parties. Oh 

Dr Molly Taylor: yeah. Oh, I was going to say the Knoll. This was 

Kristin: very helpful. 

Will: Yeah, how can you not talk about the Knoll?

So, so we would have quizzes every two weeks, and immediately, like, we would bring our beer, alcohol, whatever it was. 

Kristin: Private school. It’s a private school. We would like Nobody 

Will: come at us. Yeah, we would, we would, we would like, we would like, not bring them into the, like, building, but, but like, we had them ready, right?

So after we finished our, like, marathon of quizzes, it was like two, like, several straight hours of quizzes, then we would, um, all gather up our things and a big group of us would go out to this golf course, uh, secluded area and we would just decompress and have a nice little party at like 10 o’clock in the morning.[00:53:00] 

But it was so much fun. It’s just a way it was, it was like a really big bonding experience. Yeah, it became a ritual. Yeah, it really was. And, um, and a lot of, I think a lot of the things that were, were Were we think of so fondly were possible because we were such a small school Yeah, so I think that’s that’s one of the benefits and 

Kristin: I think in the middle of nowhere So you really had no choice.

There was nothing to do in that town. Yeah, there was nothing around that town 

Will: And so excuse me. Have you say have you been to Lebanon, New Hampshire? 

Dr Molly Taylor: They interest you in the holes Kristen. 

Kristin: Yes, that’s right That was the extent of the excitement. That and Price 

Will: Chopper. Yeah, the Price Chopper polls. But that’s 

Dr Molly Taylor: probably why, what, like, half of our class is married to itself.

To each other, yes. That’s 

Will: true, we did, 

Dr Molly Taylor: we did have a lot of the nobles, very helpful, I would say, like, and like. Yeah. You know when you’re doing it you’re like, ah, this is so cool. We [00:54:00] must look so cool. , and then to people like driving by on their like golf carts. Like yeah, there’s this group of young adults intoxicated at 10 in the morning in a parking lot like we are your kids.

I don’t think they thought you looked at school. Yeah. 

Kristin: Yeah. 

Will: Probably also people listening to a podcast might not think this is cool, but that’s okay. We’re, 

Kristin: you know, the point is the bonding experience. Creating these rituals and traditions and like things to celebrate and mark the importance of what you’re doing because you’re just working so so hard and there’s so much competition up until that point and to and still in med school that you know having a group of friends that are going through what you’re going through and and you know eventizing things about it I think was 

Dr Molly Taylor: super helpful.

And yeah I think about this a lot you know with COVID that like, you know, groups of med students, residents, like all of these people in various like lines of [00:55:00] their training and faculty, like, you know, younger faculty that we don’t have that same sense of community. And how, like, when I think about med school, like that was the thing that I felt like was so special, you know, like it felt like Hogwarts almost.

that we really knew each other. We were like really there for each other. We did weird things together, but we also like worked hard together and that I think has made all the difference. Absolutely. 

Will: Yeah. All right. Well, let’s take a break and we’ll come right back. All 

Dr Molly Taylor: right,

Will: we are back with Dr. Molly Taylor. And, uh, Molly, I got one more little, uh, trip down memory lane for you. Uh, the time when Dartmouth Medical School was rebranded to the Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth, uh, this was. Uh, I think what, what year were we, second, second, second or third year? [00:56:00] Yeah, third year, maybe.

Yeah. And, um, and we, so basically Geisel is Dr. Seuss. Theodore Geisel. Theodore Geisel. So there’s like a huge donation. They, you know, got the name on the, on the thing and everything. And I don’t know if you remember this Molly, but the administration begged us. Please, please do not refer to this school as the Dr.

Seuss School of Medicine. Uh huh. Mm hmm. And, of course, we did every chance we got. What else are you gonna do? Yeah. It’s good. And then, what I thought was very funny. Was that they were telling us not to do this yet. They had like the big ceremony They had like a ice sculpture of the cat in the hat. Yeah, and like cat in the 

Dr Molly Taylor: hat hats, right?

Like the tall, tall hats. 

Kristin: Yeah, mixed messages from the administration. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Uh huh 

Will: We were all, we were, I’m also so worried. It’s like, Oh man, we came, we came in as Dartmouth, but now our diplomas are going to [00:57:00] say Geisel, Dr. Seuss School of Medicine, like no one, like we’re never going to get jobs. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Or is it, is it pronounced Geisel?

Nobody knows. Right? Yeah. That was big. Ended up. Ended 

Will: up. Ended up not being a big deal, but you know. Right. 

Kristin: But even Another piece though that clicks into place now in retrospect, like of course you did. Yeah. Uh 

Dr Molly Taylor: huh. Well and even like, you know, on ERAS, like looking for your school, it was like a big deal to be like, is it Dartmouth or Geisel or both or, um, you know, like 

Will: It’s really a requirement for med students to overthink 

Kristin: things.

Yeah, and that’s how you get in. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Oh, 

Will: man. All right. We gotta, I gotta stop telling, like, Yeah, 

Kristin: probably no one cares at this point. Is anyone still listening? I, I hope they are. 

Will: Um, I have had a great time. Uh, so here, let’s do this. Let’s jump to our, um, our listener mailbag. All right. So this is, uh, where we share a story from one of our listeners.

We’ll [00:58:00] have Molly listening on this with us. So, this is coming from Leah. She says, I am a cardiac and vascular surgery nurse in Minnesota. A few years ago, we were seeing a very nice woman that needed multiple procedures done. I spent extra time teaching and going over everything from her AFib ablation procedure to her, uh, thoracobiphemeral bypass and multiple new medications, etc.

As she was understandably very overwhelmed and tearful at times. At the end, she thanked me. It told me how much better she felt about everything and even gave me a hug. It was such a profound moment. Where you stop and the clouds open, you realize this is the reason why you get out of bed and do what you do to help others.

Anyway, it was the end of the day. So I was heading out to my car. I was late for an appointment, so I had to hurry and quickly did a once over in the mirrors before starting to back up, but apparently I didn’t look good enough, I backed right into my patient’s car, the one that I had just had this intense interaction with moments [00:59:00] before.

I felt so for some reason I can picture Molly doing this. I don’t know. I felt so bad and was so embarrassed. One more headache for this poor lady to deal with while she’s going through all these problems. Luckily, there was little damage and everyone was very nice about it. One of my most embarrassing moments.


Kristin: a bummer. 

Will: I’ll let the wind out of your sails a bit. She 

Kristin: goes from thanking her to You just backed into my car. Yeah, 

Dr Molly Taylor: well 

Will: Generated enough goodwill So send us your stories knock knock. I had human content. com Molly. Thank you so much for joining us Pleasure to talk with you. What’s the what’s the what are the kiddos doing while you’re while you’re here 

Dr Molly Taylor: my three year olds, you know It’s obsessed with your daughters

Kristin: It is very cute to get [01:00:00] them together and the three year old follows our 11 year old around. They love each other. Like a little puppy. That’s awesome. 

Dr Molly Taylor: If you need a pet for the weekend, let me know. 

Will: Let’s talk, uh, let’s talk also about, before you go, about your research that you’re doing. Yeah. So, yeah. I’m.

I’m not going to describe it because, no, no, no, definitely not. I think it’s, it’s, it’s fascinating stuff. So tell everybody what you’re doing. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah. Um, so what I do in my research life is try to understand how stress. They’re broadly defined and resilience broadly defined kind of filter into the body to impact outcomes in cancer.

Um, and I think, you know, we can think about how, you know, quality of life and other mental health outcomes are really important. Um, and I’m trying to understand sort of at the cellular level, sort of what is stress and resilience do to influence cancer [01:01:00] outcomes. Um, So, you know, awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We’re looking at biomarkers, wearable devices, just really trying to, you know, understand how your mind changes your body when it comes to, to cancer.

Kristin: That’s very cool. Yeah. That’s very similar to what I was doing in grad school. Actually, I’m not cancer specific, but yeah, the mind and body stuff, I was doing psychophysiology. That’s funny. And you 

Will: got a little circle, you got a little team. 

Dr Molly Taylor: Yeah. We have some great people out here doing this work. And then, you know, cause this is a, Small field.

So I work with a couple of people around the country. Uh, but I think even like one of my time capsule, uh, verbal, uh, sort of predictions was that somebody said, you’re going to do something that like not very many people think is important. But a couple people will think it’s really cool. Gee, thanks! 

Kristin: Was Will one of the people that said that?

Dr Molly Taylor: have no idea. That will remain anonymous. Oh my god.[01:02:00] 

Will: And um, and also, do you have any social media presence you want to promote? 

Dr Molly Taylor: I do. Or are you keeping it secret? I believe, actually, in this sort of like, grassroots

I want people to really, like, follow me in person and not follow me on Twitter. 

Kristin: You’d like a stalker, is what 

Dr Molly Taylor: you’re saying? That’s exactly what she’s saying. That’s what I’m looking for. Uh, you know, actually, I think the video… That I made for you for your birthday one year, do you remember? With the cat in the glass?

Oh, the cat lady! Uh, that is a video I think probably that could have, you know, skyrocketed into… Oh, yes. 

Will: Oh, I do 

Kristin: remember that. You were just too soon, you were ahead of your time. 

Will: Well, when we release this episode, we’ll add that video into it. 

Dr Molly Taylor: To my 261 followers, so shout out to, [01:03:00] shout out to you all. Uh, but I, uh, I’m at MollyTaylorMD on Twitter.

Will: Alright. Well, Molly, thank you again, and always a pleasure talking to you. Yeah, thanks guys. We’ll see you soon. Ah,

so wonderful to talk with Molly, and just to, to have… An interaction with a friend you may not have seen for like a year, even if you haven’t talked to him for an extended period of time, you just jump right back into it. 

Kristin: Yeah, just pick up right where you left off. 

Will: One of the best things I think about, even though there are so many really tough and sometimes terrible things about medical education and training, is you develop this tight bonding with groups of people, 

Kristin: right?

So. Yeah. Yes, that’s trauma bonding. So I don’t know that I would encourage it, but it does happen and it is effective. Yeah, 

Will: med school, residencies. Grad school. Yeah, you’re going through this very, [01:04:00] I guess, traumatic experience and, uh, with people and you become friends for life, so for better or worse, that’s the way it is.

Um, uh, so let us know what you thought of the episode, uh, uh, do you like going down memory lane with, with us about our things? We could do one for you in grad school. I’m sure that would be… Oh, jeez, 

Kristin: no, no one wants 

Will: to hear about that. Oof, there’s some fireworks at your graduate program, so that, that might not necessarily be an exciting, fun episode, but, you know.

No. Um, anyway, if you have any other ideas, uh, for episode topics or guests, you can let us know, hit us up, knockknockhigh at human content. com. We also have… Uh, social media accounts all over the place. You can reach out to us there. You can also hang out with us in our Human Content Podcast family on Instagram and TikTok at Human Content Pods.

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Kristin: they are, because look what they say.

Will: Princess. On YouTube said, I’m not in the medical field, but I’m addicted. We love that. Yes. Thank you so much. I’m 

Kristin: always a little confused by that, but I appreciate 

Will: it. Why people outside of healthcare and medical field, uh, listen to anything we have to say? 

Kristin: Well, me, sure. But you, I don’t know. 

Will: Well, you’re not in the medical field.

Maybe they bond with you that way. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, we also have, uh, all these episodes up on YouTube, uh, full episodes every week on my YouTube channel at DGlockenFlecken. We also have a Patreon, lots of cool perks, bonus episodes, where we react to things. Hang out with other members of the community.

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Thank you, Sophie B. Yeah, thank you. And thank you all for listening. We’re your hosts, Will and Kristen Flannery, also known as the Glockenfleckens. Special thanks to our guests. Today, Dr. Molly Taylor. Our executive producers are Will Flannery, Rob Goldman, and Shahnti Brooke, our editor and engineers, Jason Bortizzo.

Our music is by Omer Ben Zvi. To learn about our Knock Knock Highs, submission verification of licensing terms, program disclaimer and ethics policy, and HIPAA release terms, I switched it up, did you see that? Oh no, I don’t, I wasn’t listening to you. You’d probably never listen when I do this part. You can go to glockenfleckin.

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Kristin: There I did notice you changed the order. 

Will: Knock Knock Kai is a human content production.

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Kristin: teeth. I want something that will wash my face for me after I have already laid down. 

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